F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

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    Thanks for posting the news. About time they put some serious weight behind the aggressors. Initially nine early birds will be re-purposed. Maybe in the interim they can put some F-117s to fill the void to play the role of stealthy threats..
     
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    F117 is pretty useless for this kind of mission.
    The only thing it was designed to do is penetrate air defences and drop LGB. It can't dogfight. And it lacks a ton of sensors. A modern Low Observable Drone pretty much does everything it could better.
    For aggressor training you need a VLO fighter that can maneuver and have fighter characteristics. Early F35 offer that.
    F117 can only fly penitration bombing
     
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    I agree that the F-117 lacks certain features pertaining to counter air. I was thinking of a more narrow scope of using the F-117 as a penetrative asset to test and train the blue force for defensive counter air against stealthy penetration. We know that one of the role of the J-20 is to break the defensive line to go against supporting aerial assets like AWACs and tankers. One of the technology that the USAF and USN have been investing in counter stealth is via IRST. It is reported that F-18 Block II's IRST has a greater detection range than its radar and Block III through a 2 ship triangulation can acquire firing solution passively via IRST. Similarly, the current planned trial of the F-15C IRST upgrade can offer firing solution on a stand alone basis. The F-117 will be a good surrogate because it has IR suppression to test against passive sensors like IRST.
     
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    Yeah, you're just old and jaded Pappy, LOL, that's kind of how it is when you think you've seen it all, so yes airplanes, beautiful airplanes, and I've prolly seen em all, but the first time I saw this F-35A model display with "Dojo" on the stick was at RIAT, most of this stuff you have seen, but that 9G break-out where Dojo pert near turns that bird inside out?? (its at about 1:05 on your video), that's still pretty amazing...

    Now if you don't think it is, maybe we could "strap your butt" on a pylon for a "ride along", I can assure you, it will get your attention.. a 30 min show will "waste" our boy "Dojo"....

    so yeah, the only thing I still find "jaw dropping", well hoping our wifeys don't see this post, but yeah! that's it,,, my wife is still gorgeous, my Grandsons teacher asked my wife is she was his MOM! yeah, she looks that good, and I really don't want to die, so I'm not gonna divulge were she's at on the time space continuum...

    but when our Gracious Lord created the Fairer Sex, he went all out on accessories, "Praise the Lord"! and AMEN!
     
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    and now inside yesterday's article https://breakingdefense.com/2019/05/ellen-lord-lot-12-contract-for-f-35s-soon/

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    Around the same time, F-35 program manager Vice Adm. Mathias Winter told lawmakers on Capitol Hill that removing Turkey from the program would have a “50- and 75-airplane impact over a two-year period.”

    That hit to production comes from the 6 percent to 7 percent of the aircraft’s parts that are made in Turkey, Winter said, and “we would see within 45 to 90 days an impact of the slowing down or stopping of those parts to the three production lines.”

    Without divulging any specific numbers, Lord on Friday said “we see a potential slowing down of some deliveries over the next two years, some potential cost impacts, but right now we believe we can minimize both of those and are working on refining them.”

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    and
    F-35's First Crash Was Caused by Manufacturing Defect https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...h-was-caused-by-manufacturing-defect-gao-says

    May 11, 2019
    • Pentagon had to replace suspect component on 117 jets: report
    • Ruptured fuel tube caused engine failure in S. Carolina crash
     
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    now
    Pentagon Seeking Potential Replacements for Turkish F-35 Parts https://news.usni.org/2019/05/10/pentagon-seeking-potential-replacements-for-turkish-f-35-parts
     
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    Such a development would be a natural process to seek replacement part suppliers. When I mentioned robustness, the meaning is whether the program has been building up inventory as a contingent measure and/or whether they practice dual source supply chain for critical parts.
     
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    It will have a critical impact initially Mr. Brumby, they are likely running on the "just in time" business model that has become popular in this modern world as a cost saving measure?? I was first exposed to this when our hospice had our Hospice Nurse's take all but one bottle of lotion from their "visit bags".. they all went back to the supply room...

    This supposedly cut down on excess supply inventory, and was one response to cuts in reimbursement's for nursing, CNA, Chaplain visits etc... Chaplains were replaced by "spiritual counselors" with no church credentials and only college training...

    So its a sad state of affairs, but continuous budgeting pressures bring out the "stooped" in layers, over and beyond smart business sense and practices... so though we have known about this nonsense for nearly two years, I can assure you that no real alternative sourcing has been sought out... sadly we don't seem to think that far ahead...

    Knowing this however, I am absolutely convinced Turkey has NO business buying the F-35, given Erdogan's insistence on buying the S-400, looks like we made a poor choice of partners.... there is talk of rolling that business over to Italy?? in my opinion a very poor choice in light of their newly elected govt??
     
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    The situation might well be as you described. This outcome could be causally aggravated by the concurrency nature of the program. We know from the recent GAO report that some spare parts are already facing obsolescence when paired against the newer built. This type of operating landscape might influence an even tighter inventory holding of parts to avoid excessive obsolescence and write-offs. That said, I think we should also distinguish between politics and economic interest of the different partners in the program. Even if there is a political fall out, there might not be an immediate decoupling of the economics. There are vested supply entities in Turkey that may be bound by contractual obligations of notice and supply commitments. They would also have an economic interest to exit the supply arrangement in a meaningful rather than abrupt manner. While there might be pain for the US, that type of pain is not necessarily one way.
     
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