F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

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    I like the work produced by Bryan Clark because he focusses on strategic matters on the chess board. However in the story mentioned in Aviation week, I think he is off course. The premise of the story is based off Clark's research article published in CSBA in December of last year titled "REGAINING THE HIGH GROUND AT SEA: Transforming the U.S. Navy’s Carrier Air Wing for Great Power Competition". https://csbaonline.org/research/pub...ea-transforming-the-u.s.-navys-carrier-air-wi

    IMO, Clark is conflating two issues, viz : range and the need for a naval air superiority fighter through a remodeled F-35C. First off, the air superiority role was to be an outcome of the F/A XX program and not from the JSF program. Secondly, the issue of range in the Western Pacific is a geographical reality and the solution is not necessarily going for greater range in the airframe. It is an asymmetrical cost equation that cannot be won. The A2D2 bubble will continue to grow with ever increasing missile range and will easily outpace economically whatever increasing range that can be put on a plane. All you end up is ever increasing cost and a degrading sortie generation rate. The solution is not conventional but outside the box.
     
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    please post specifics of your solution
     
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    I will post specifics after I retire as Chief Strategist of the Pentagon. LOL.

    I am mindful that forum rules don't allow specific discussions unless you are trying to get me banned. Jeff gave me a warning once just because I posted a scenario of how a blockade could be conducted. At that time I was merely sharing a RAND study.
     
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    I will however talk about some key principles in general terms.

    1)The vastness of the Western Pacific presents many obstacles but for every threat there is equal opportunity. This is basic 101 in business school. Look at how they conduct the island campaigns during WW2.
    2)There is an optimal distance from land whereby a carrier should operate to generate maximum sortie rates. The further it is, the greater its degradation and effectiveness.
    3)There is an overall asymmetrical cost disadvantage between an airplane and anti access missile range. There is no point in even trying to compete. Look for solutions elsewhere.
    4)The emphasis is too platform centric rather than effects driven. There are other ways to generate the same effects.
     
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    OK you said close to nothing, so I'll try something specific without, hopefully, offending anyone:

    if now some USN CVBG was ordered to hit, it'd start with volleys of TLAMs against radar installations and airfields in the area,

    followed by the triple (Super Hornet + Growler + Hawkeye) to get wherever needed, and this wave should be able to defend itself in the air;

    on the sea there would be AEGIS (TM LM) vessels, shooting SM-n missiles, presumably taking care of the hail of incoming air-threats, plus

    the CVGB would be dashing at >30 knots, making it unlikely it could be attacked by Opfor subs;

    in my comfortable chair I don't think it'd matter on a strategic level how close the CVGB sailed to the hostile shore (of course there'd tactical considerations though)

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    F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread
    I add the F-35C is so delayed (originally promised for 2012 EDIT if I'm not mistaken) there's little interest in the USN to spend money on it now, while the USN struggles to keep together what I've just described above, among other things

    anyway I'm interested in what you meant by your point #4
     
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    My answer would be a combination of LO tankers in the form of drones and KB21. Long range weapons, including cruise missiles, hypersonic weapons potentially even sub orbital.
     
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    In any modern conflict, the initial opening moves are to disrupt and degrade the opposing C2ISR infrastructure. The intended effects are to make them ineffectual. There are many ways to deliver that effect and will probably require a combination especially when there are significant aim points involved. CVBG and the aviation wing is just one in many. In the case where there is a credible A2AD bubble, deploying a CVBG for that intended purpose is very risky and likely not a preferred option. This is merely responding to your question and is a very different conversation from what I posted earlier. Historically and that is from a number of recent conflicts, the strategic bombing arm delivers 50 to 60 % of the munition even though its proportion in terms of asset deployment is closer to 5 %. I personally think that the B-21 program is an important future asset in the high end fight and they should build more of them rather than spending money on any remodeling of the F-35C.

    P.S. The threat of the DF's are overrated in terms of effectiveness because in the kill chain it has significant vulnerabilities .
     
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    OK let's leave it, Yesterday at 8:46 PM I left out (to be brief) the USAF role etc.
     
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    it's dated 12 Feb 2019 what I've now read:
    F-35Bs Conduct Strikes in 'Beast Mode' for First Time in Pacific Region https://www.military.com/dodbuzz/20...kes-beast-mode-first-time-pacific-region.html
     
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