F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

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    Logically I would think so. In their flight ingress, the tasking orders would determine their way points but likely subject to re-routing as the threat picture gets updated.
     
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    The USAF needs to do a better job in selling the idea of the F-15X. It is just not believable when they insist that the new buys of F-15X would not affect the F-35 procurement. Sure it will because when you have a limited budget, there will be sacrifices. The F-35 program is already 5 years behind schedule and hundreds of airframe behind original timeline. LM says it has present capacity to manufacture 160 units a year and Lot 11 this year is only doing 141 units. If they have the funds, clearly they will buy more if not for funding being the limiter.

    Having said that. the USAF do have an airframe shortage problem due to the truncation of the F-22 program. PCA is still a long way away and the existing F-15C/D's are old with the youngest being 32 years. It badly needs life extension and avionics upgrade to remain relevant. The aging issue leads to maintenance problem and spare parts. The proper conversation should be about options until PCA comes on stream. The options are replace the duties of the existing F-15C/D's with the F-16 fleet. After pushback from Congress, I think this idea is dropped for the time being. The next option is to buy more F-35s to do the job but I don't think this seems to have much traction. Personally I think this is a bad idea because the operating cost of the F-35 at $45,000 per hour is problematic and the main challenge currently for the F-35 program in terms of sustainment. If they don't get this down, it might truncate the program just like the F-22.

    The current proposal with the F-15X has a number of benefits. Firstly Boeing has indicated a price lower than the F-35 which could mean below $80 million a unit. This comes with all the upgrades and a 20,000 hours service life. The missile loadout is said to be 22 and would be an excellent missile truck partner with the F-22/F-35. The biggest benefit is Boeing has run their numbers and confident that the operating cost on the F-15X will be $27,000 per hour versus $42,000 per hour currently with the F-15C/D. This means the F-15X will be basically self funded. Boeing's claims need to be validated but I think the F-15X option is attractive given the respective options.
     
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    F15CX and F15EX are unlikely in my view to be the supposed "Missile Truck". They are targeted for ANG squadrons at best assuming that the buy doesn't bite into PCA. (Something I almost guarantee it will. ) PCA is supposed to replace the Active duty F15s.
    Even as a missile truck the drag on these birds is ridiculous.
     
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    Yesterday at 9:34 PM I meant to ask into what "Tier", if any, should Mission Data Files go, in the context of your description
     
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    problem of the LockMart lobbying which was not only unable to impose the F-35C on the USN
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    , but, to my surprise, the LockMart lobbying unable to stuff the USAF with the F-35A
    Monday at 8:35 PM
     
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    speaking of the C, LOL this is wild "The funding would come from truncating the Navy’s planned F-35C order after half the aircraft are delivered, he says, but the development phase should begin now."
    CSBA Analyst Calls For F-35C Redesign

    Feb 7, 2019 http://aviationweek.com/defense/csba-analyst-calls-f-35c-redesign

     
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    Because Boeing doesn't Lobby?
    F35 was procured by all three services of there own accord.
    The only way this gets through is if Boeing promised the sweetest deal of the decade. That the cost of life extension for the Legecy eagles ended up chocking a price of almost as much as a new bird as is and Boeing offered the X at bargain basement Clearance sale prices
     
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    and the result is

    "The Navy intends to spend about $9.2 billion to procure 110 Block III Super Hornets from FY19-FY23, budget documents show." https://www.defensenews.com/digital...econd-life-through-future-sales-and-upgrades/

    and

    "The Air Force will propose buying new F-15X aircraft in the fiscal 2020 budget, ..." http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/February 2019/F-15X-in-Light-Attack-Out-in-FY20-Budget.aspx

    that's why I said the LockMart lobbying got a problem, since
     
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    Well Jura I am starting to suspect that there was more going on that just Lobbying.
    2007 November The Longeron crash.
    We are quoted as high as 30 million a bird to fix it
    2014 The 65th Aggressor squadron that flys F15 is closed having opened in 05.
    2017 march we hear about the USAF considering way retirement of F15.
    November we are told, 1 million a bird for the Longeron. But 30 million for extending the life to 2040.
    2018 We hear that Lockheed Martin and Boeing are approached to ask about new birds to take F15C/D fighters.
    November F15X.

    My suspicion, the Longeron figure jumped back to 30million and when they added in other upgrades someone said for that much we could buy new.
     
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