F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

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    Don't need one, I imagine that if they intend on the existing ships they won't bother with the ramp.
    Although the idea of turning Aircraft Carrier Ibuki from fiction to reality has a fun aspect it's not a practical reason.
     
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    Curious why would you think that? First everyone says the idea is 'fanboish junk', then the Japanese Government says yes we are going to do this and the same voices say in pantomime style 'Oh no you won't!' and now they've put their money where their mouth is. Now are you suggesting the ski jump will cost billions to install? Painting the deck with Thermion will bust the budget? Ski Jumps are solid metal with no moving parts, can be pre fabricated in sections and installed on a ship in a matter of weeks. Painting the deck with Thermion takes a little longer but we aren't talking a multi year rebuild by any means. Remember this class of ships were designed from the start to accept these upgrades. It's possibly the most inexpensive, Practical and desirable upgrade for them imaginable. CVH-92-Ibuki-01.jpg
     
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    Agreed Obi Wan! ;) [​IMG]

    I know this is just a fictional model but say the JMSDF build this ship they need to put that forward elevator on the deck edge to help increase the aircraft capacity of the ship and help the flight deck and hangar deck run smoother.
     
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    I didn't say billions. Infact I never mentioned a price point. Or a reason behind my thinking.
    I am well aware that Izumo class was designed to be compatible with F35B and MV22B.
    I simply said that at that they seem to aim for the existing ships. To make the transition faster it's likely that will keep them closer to as is.
    Farther more the ships likely already have some degree of thermal coating because of the intentions of using them with V22.
    It just seems to me like there most likey that the set up and training for these would be with the USMC who flys F35B ramp less.

    I actually deleted a thought I had that if they wanted to make follow on orders of F35B and a second flight of Izumo class they might go for a ramp then.
     
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    Yes the Japanese would indeed carry out their training with the USMC. The US Navy is indeed ramp-less, the USMC however is not. There is a Ramp at Pax River used to prepare for using the F-35B aboard the QECs: hqdefault.jpg
    So training with the USMC to prepare for shipboard operations presents no obstacles.

    Waiting until new ships are built whilst ignoring the existing ones seems dreadfully wasteful, when again that's not the Japanese Government's stated intention. Further ships will probably be built, but the two existing Izumos will most certainly be upgraded, otherwise that's a lot of money gone to waste. You don't need a 27,000 tonne carrier to operate six helicopters...

    Rebuilding them with a forward deck edge lift however, is probably not on the cards as it would be by far the most expensive part of the upgrade. You don't just cut a hole in the side of a carrier and bolt a lift on the side, it involves a hell of a lot of intricate design work to preserve structural integrity. The US worked out how to do it back in the fifties and it's still one of their best kept carrier related secrets. Others have since figured it out. Structural stresses have to be re routed through different parts of the hull to avoid bucking and twisting. The Japanese certainly know how to do it, the Izumos already have an aft deck edge lift, but that was designed in from the start. Having one would be nice but at this stage would almost qualify as an expensive luxury. 5c7jalw.jpg 3a9cee2f5ae2293e3067bbc7967e671e.jpg
    But this how they might look with the forward deck edge lift fitted:
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    and
    Turkey’s F-35 Role at Risk If It Buys From Russia, Pentagon Warns https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-risked-if-it-buys-from-russia-pentagon-warns
    • Clash is over plans to buy Russian S-400 anti-aircraft system
    • Unclassified summary of classified report sent to Congress

     
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    noted (dated Nov 28, 2018)
    Lockheed Martin Reduces Cost Of F-35 Mission Simulator http://aviationweek.com/combat-aircraft/lockheed-martin-reduces-cost-f-35-mission-simulator
     
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    Nov 10, 2018 anyway
    Italy F-35s reach initial operating capability https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/11/30/italy-f-35s-reach-initial-operating-capability/
     
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    found the source for you:

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    from what I've now figured in Twitter, she became popular in Japanese cartoons to the point of currently being offered as
    https://www.tamiya.com/japan/products/25413/index.html 1/700 DDV192 空母いぶき
    1/700 AIRCRAFT CARRIER DDV192 IBUKI
    2018年5月26日(土)ごろ発売

    4,212円(本体価格3,900円)
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