F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

FORBIN

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Jura...they completed the deliveries for the requisite numbers...they did miss the end by a short time period...but they delivered them all within the year and within the contractual obligation.

There are time periods that they target...and then time periods by which time they must deliver or face financial penalties.

Is Lockheed facing penalties for missing their overall, actual obligation?

If they had, we would have herd about THAT from all the liberal, nay-sying outfits not only in the US...but around the world.

Instead, they did not hit the earlier goal, but they did deliver all required for the annual requirement.

There are some that believe all of the nay-saying and find anything...anything at ll to report negatively about the aircraft will make it bad...will make it undesirable. Instead...the exact opposite is occuring depitse thier activities.

I believe...and I have seen a lot of programs that the liberals and the progressives, and those who have an axe to grind against the US (both internal and external) that they have done all in their power to stop...and sadly they have stopped quite a few...anyhow, I believe of all of them, I have never seen an aircraft that has faced so much unwarranted and mischievous attacks...with a lot just climbing on the and wagon, willing to say anything, make up anything, find any issue (and ANY program this large and complex is going to have issues...that is not abnormal and they need to be addressed. But the amount of ill will and nay saying has reached new heights with this aircraft.

...and that is because most of those who want to naysay it do not want the US or her allies to have such a capability because they know what it will men. Then those types get a whole lof of others climbing on the band wagon.

But it will not matter.

I will say again...the F-35 will be by far the most widely produced, purcahsd and utilized 5th genertion stealth airraft in the world. And the nations who get her, will be happy they have her becaue of the ground breaking, new and capable ways that she brings her war fighting and info gathering to the battle space to the benefit of their forces.

Away and by far the most capable and most sought after.

...despite all the nay saying.

Watch and see!
Some pessimists... but LM to catch up delay and usualy deliver 5 birds by month so surely the double these last 2 months so problem remains minor but able to do the job !

And if LM is able to reach the 80 mill $ price for a F-35A it is really cheaper remains to know if it is the true price normaly fly away but some say a part of the material is not included coz as ships a part is ordered in advance.
Jura's claims especialy :)
 

Air Force Brat

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Some pessimists... but LM to catch up delay and usualy deliver 5 birds by month so surely the double these last 2 months so problem remains minor but able to do the job !

And if LM is able to reach the 80 mill $ price for a F-35A it is really cheaper remains to know if it is the true price normaly fly away but some say a part of the material is not included coz as ships a part is ordered in advance.
Jura's claims especialy :)

80 million is a very hopeful goal for the A model,, will they make it, can they make it??

I really don't know, but I'm in support of the F-35 because it is capable, and those capabilities are worth the money. I support it because I am aware of the actual threat, I'm aware that Surface to Air Missiles have improved tremendously since the 60s, and I well remember the wild weasel missions, and the heroes that flew them, and the price they paid..

So 80 million is a LOT of money for 1 airplane, but I would much rather pay 80 million for an aircraft that is survivable, than 60 million for an aircraft that's incapable and vulnerable..

Lockheed Martin has a winner on its hands, they deserve it because they have been "delivering" the goods for well over a half century,,, their amazing C-130 Hercules came into its own the year I was born, and they continue to serve and roll out the door, because they are the best.. I know that first hand as my own DAD LOVED that airplane from the A model through the E model.

He stepped off the C-123, C-119, and walked up those steps onto the flight deck of the worlds most powerful airlifter! never looked back, never said, "boy, I need more airplane!" he liked the C-141, might have been a little impressed?? with the C-5A. He could have easily flown either one of those birds?? but had no desire.

My Dad flew the MC-130E, Combat Talon I in Vietnam from the late summer of 67, through the late summer of 68,, it was indeed one of two first "Black Birds",,, terrain following radar, and 400 plus pounds of black radar absorbing coatings, they went anywhere they needed to go....hairy?? scary??, Yep, all the above, but LockMart had a ride that would bring you home again, and that friend for me is "personal"!

I DID NOT LIKE the F-35 at all, I HATED it with a passion when it displaced the Raptor! really I did not like it, thought it was ugly,,, its not.. but this airplane had to win my heart, and as Jeff has stated it has,, by the time AF-2 had completed the high A-O-A testing,, I am sold, and the Green Flag/Red Flag exercises have proven that this airplane is a winner!

and I like each of these aircraft, the B model will turn those helicopter haulers into real aircraft carriers, the C model will make the US NAVY the most dangerous, far reaching force on the Planet,, we NEED those aircraft... any of the anticipated OP-FOR aircraft are extremely vulnerable to this aircraft, I wouldn't say its invincible, its not, but its so far ahead of anything else on the planet, and its a game changer, it has capabilities that will make the Raptor jealous, so yes, it is a very good "bang for the buck"!
 
It's very, very simple brother, we need the airplane, and as I will continue to remind all, 5 Gen aircraft are very, very, expensive!!! ...
Brother regarding the UK procurement: they directly shared R&D cost, so I can imagine they're tense and probably will now watch more closely how much their Ministry of Defense pays to LockMart, and what for Wednesday at 8:28 AM

plus now I'll refresh what I've been doing for some time, which is following what the Comptroller says about F-35A Procurement cost; links go back from
Jul 7, 2016
to
May 27, 2017
and I now repost the chart (x in blue is based on the expected 2018 price in
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and 2019 point is what (late? :-( Brumby said the price would be):
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(I use Comptroller's data so I don't care about spin-doctoring which announces just production cost in a respective lot, "forgetting" about other involved contracts etc.)
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
80 million is a very hopeful goal for the A model,, will they make it, can they make it??

I really don't know, but I'm in support of the F-35 because it is capable, and those capabilities are worth the money. I support it because I am aware of the actual threat, I'm aware that Surface to Air Missiles have improved tremendously since the 60s, and I well remember the wild weasel missions, and the heroes that flew them, and the price they paid..

So 80 million is a LOT of money for 1 airplane, but I would much rather pay 80 million for an aircraft that is survivable, than 60 million for an aircraft that's incapable and vulnerable..
...

Normaly no sure ofc but i seems very possible 80 millions/unit for birds ordered in 2019 or 2020 and survivable justely would interesting to know what % cost stealth an estimate 10 -20 % ?


AF selects locations for next two Air National Guard F-35 bases

The Air Force has selected Truax Field Air National Guard Base, Wisconsin and Dannelly Field, Alabama as the preferred locations for the next two Air National Guard F-35A bases.

“Selecting Truax Field and Dannelly Field will increase Air National Guard F-35A units providing 5th Generation airpower around the world,” said Secretary of the Air Force Heather Wilson. “As F-35As arrive at these locations, we will use the existing aircraft at these fields to replace the aging F-16s at other Air National Guard units.”

F-35As will eventually replace many of the 4th generation Air Force aircraft. However, the Air Force will continue to fly a mix of 5th and 4th generation fighters into the 2040s, in order to maintain enough fighters to meet combatant commander requirements, provide required training and allow a reasonable deployment tempo for the force.

“Putting F-35s at these two Air National Guard bases continues our transition into the next generation of air superiority,” said Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David L. Goldfein. “It helps ensure we can always offer the Commander-in-Chief air power options and be ready to penetrate any enemy air defenses, hold any target at risk and go when and where the president tells us to go. We're the options guys. The F-35 is critical to the family of systems we need to accomplish this mission for the nation now and in the future."

At this time, the Air Force expects the F-35As to begin arriving at Truax Field in early 2023 and at Dannelly Field later that year.

These locations remain preferred alternatives until the secretary of the Air Force makes the final basing decisions after the requisite environmental analysis is complete.

The Air Force also evaluated Gowen Field ANGB, Idaho, Selfridge ANGB, Michigan and Jacksonville Air Guard Station, Florida in this round of decisions. Those bases were reasonable alternatives, but not preferred.

Previously, the secretary of the Air Force selected three active duty operational locations and one Air National Guard location—Hill AFB, Utah, RAF Lakenheath, England, Eielson AFB, Alaska and Burlington AGS, Vermont.

Additionally, the Air Force announced Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth, Texas as the preferred alternative for the first Air Force Reserve base.
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ANG F-35A Sqns with 18 fighters active 24 normal same for legacy fighters

With others yet known do :

Active
Hill 1 Sqn full 1 in transition and 1 other after all full for 2019
Eielson 2 Sqns first F-35A delivered in 2020
Lakenheath 2 Sqns first F-35A delivered in 2021

ANG
Burlington 1 Sqn first F-35A delivered in 2020
Dannelly Field/Montgomery 1 Sqn first F-35A delivered in 2023
Truax Field / Madison 1 Sqn first F-35A delivered in 2023

AF Reserve
Fort Worth, 1 Sqn first F-35A delivered in 2023
 
tough talking New in 2018: F-35B baptism of fire
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The Corps’ F-35Bs may finally get their first taste of combat in 2018.

The F35-B, which can take off and land vertically on an amphibious assault ship, is expected to deploy with two Marine expeditionary units to the Pacific and Central Command theaters in the spring and summer, officials said.

The first deployment will be with the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit aboard the amphibious assault ship Wasp and the second will be with the 13th MEU aboard the amphibious assault ship Essex, said spokeswoman Capt. Sarah Burns.

It’s a key step in the Corps’ long-term plan to replace its current fleet of tactical aircraft — the F/A-18 Hornets, EA-6B Prowlers and AV-8B Harriers — with the new fifth-generation fighters by 2032.

The Marine Corps plans to buy a total of 353 F-35Bs, and 67 F-35Cs, which have tail hooks that allow them to land on aircraft carriers.

This past year, the Corps’ Fighter Attack Squadron 121, the service’s first overseas-deployed F-35B squadron, arrived in Iwakuni, Japan, and conducted a range of training exercises.

Marine aviation officials have said that up to half of the current F/A-18 Hornet fleet is not ready for combat, and the deployment of the F-35Bs are key to restoring readiness to the tactical air fleet.
 
now DOD Pushes Lockheed, F-35 Program Office to Embrace Full-Rate Mindset
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The Pentagon wants Lockheed Martin and the F-35 program office to operate with the pace and mindset of full-rate production, even if the actual production line is years away from this milestone.

Deputy Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan, speaking off camera with reporters right before the holiday break, said in his mind Lockheed and the program office need the “mindset and the behaviors, and how we’re leveraging productivity of a full-rate environment.”

Full rate production, of about 160 F-35s per year, is expected in 2023. In 2017, Lockheed hit its delivery target of 66 aircraft, including 31 F-35As for the US Air Force. That was more than a 40 percent jump in total aircraft deliveries from 2016. In the near future, “nothing major” is preventing the F-35 program from hitting its 2023 goal, Joint Program Office Director Vice Adm. Mathias Winter told Air Force Magazine in
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Though the program cannot reach full-rate production until testing and evaluation is completed, changes are being made already in Fort Worth where the jets are produced. For example, Lockheed has
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working on the mile-long line and plans to hire hundreds more.

“If we wanted to wait until 2020 to start behaving differently, I think we’ve missed an opportunity,” Shanahan said.
 

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now DOD Pushes Lockheed, F-35 Program Office to Embrace Full-Rate Mindset
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While the F-35 is an extremely high priority program,,, and LockMart continues to do a very credible job, one thing that hinders seamless production is the continuing resolution and threat of Govt Shut down! in other words money. Patrick Shanahan may be planning to pay LockMart out of his own pocket, but I truly doubt it...

When I worked for Klem's Aero Repair, we worked on all the states "fixed wing" recip aircraft fleet, Klem NEVER got paid on time, and had to wait up to 6 months at a time for a State Check.. So seamless full rate production depends on supply, a supply of large and small parts to be available on the line every day, 24/7,, so when the Govt misses a payment, or cuts back on funding, everybody else is supposed to pretend that's a normal part of life, and folks are supposed to keep working just like they are really getting paid??

Politicians on the other hand expect to be paid, "up front", and then, if they want to, and its convenient, they "might" do what they say?? they hire their friends and family to do piddly jobs and pay them well, but they aren't the most reliable when it comes to delivering on their own obligations!

and all those who are holding LockMarts "feet to the fire" are the ultimate hypocrites, LockMart designed and developed the F-22, and put it in production on a Govt commitment to buy 1200 aircraft I believe,,, that may be wrong, then they cut it to 700, then 550, then 400, and finally they closed the line after 187 Raptors were delivered...so LockMart delivered a better aircraft than anyone could have hoped, and the Govt rewarded them by cutting total purchase and drawing out the buying of even the aircraft we did buy???

so you tell me who didn't keep their word, you tell me who cheated the taxpayers of this country, and delivered far fewer aircraft, at far higher prices... the US Congress and the Presidency, that's who!
 

Jeff Head

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For fans and Christmas :)

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BEautiful, just beautiful.

The only nation with an operational 5th generation aircraft now has two different ones operational.

179 of the F-22 out there operational and able to take all comers.

Approaching or just over 200 F-35s now, and its going to end up being close to 2,500 of them...and they two will take on all comers.

That's a beautiful pic. Thanks.
 
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