F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

[Jura The idiot]

Here ya go, more liberal pollies selling the Air Force out, motivated by pride and money, when a much better 5 Gen Airframe is ready to go.... the Eurofighter is beautiful, and very fine aircraft, but it will not overwhelm the bad guys numerically as will the F-35.

and Germany needs a force-multiplyer desperately, the F-35 is a force multiplyer, and in the end, it's likely much better than even the F-22 at the 8 to 1 game!

Good morning, America

Merry Christmas to you Brother!

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Tornados were a omnirole platform bomber, interceptor, SEAD.
The Typhoon seems a fine replacement for the Interceptor, actually a step up as it's a full Air superiority platform. It could also do air strike. But it's a bit overkill for SEAD especially since to date there is no SEAD kit. EA18G would fit the bill but then again so would the Grippen.
F35 would give the Germans a leg up in this role. As the Low Observable technology would also allow denies air space operations not available to the current systems.
The listed Perfered alternatives listed also include the F15 presumably the E model in which case the Typhoon is already it's equal so why bother? And again No SEAD ability.
The big point though is timing 2020 to 2025 is the window. If you buy from now to 2020 then better to go with Grippen or Hornet if we are talking between 2020 and 2025 might as well go F35 , post 2025 F35 is really the only option without designing a new aircraft.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Tornados were a omnirole platform bomber, interceptor, SEAD.
The Typhoon seems a fine replacement for the Interceptor, actually a step up as it's a full Air superiority platform. It could also do air strike. But it's a bit overkill for SEAD especially since to date there is no SEAD kit. EA18G would fit the bill but then again so would the Grippen.
F35 would give the Germans a leg up in this role. As the Low Observable technology would also allow denies air space operations not available to the current systems.
The listed Perfered alternatives listed also include the F15 presumably the E model in which case the Typhoon is already it's equal so why bother? And again No SEAD ability.
The big point though is timing 2020 to 2025 is the window. If you buy from now to 2020 then better to go with Grippen or Hornet if we are talking between 2020 and 2025 might as well go F35 , post 2025 F35 is really the only option without designing a new aircraft.

Actually the F-35 is the only reasonable option, as you and I both know who the OPFOR is likely to be, the S-400/S-500 will take a devastating toll on any 4 Gens, and while the US will ride like the Lone Ranger to Germany's rescue,,, it would be much better for Germany to field her own 5 Gens... I'm not worried about the SU-35, or SU-57, since both are more 4 Gen when it comes to L/O, hence the F-35 alone is stealthy enough for the likely very caustic ops area.....

 

[Air Force Brat]

Good morning, America

Merry Christmas to you Brother!

and Merry Christmas and a very good morning to you as well Brother,,, could we sell you an F-35 today??? LOL

we will sell you any color you'd like as long as its Grey! send us a list of your weapons choices and we'll have that delivered by Christmas 2018!

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Actually the F-35 is the only reasonable option, as you and I both know who the OPFOR is likely to be, the S-400/S-500 will take a devastating toll on any 4 Gens, and while the US will ride like the Lone Ranger to Germany's rescue,,, it would be much better for Germany to field her own 5 Gens... I'm not worried about the SU-35, or SU-57, since both are more 4 Gen when it comes to L/O, hence the F-35 alone is stealthy enough for the likely very caustic ops area.....

Brat, I highlight this part

The big point though is timing 2020 to 2025 is the window. If you buy from now to 2020 then better to go with Grippen or Hornet if we are talking between 2020 and 2025 might as well go F35 , post 2025 F35 is really the only option without designing a new aircraft.

My reasoning for this is that right now until 2020 chances of getting a Delivery to a nation jumping on the F35 wagon are low, The US, UK, Israeli, Italian, Japanese orders are the priority and until other production lines are fully up to speed. If the Germans need it now early 2018-2020 maybe 2021, but if they can wait till after that point then F35 is the best option

 

[Obi Wan Russell]

Brat, I highlight this part

My reasoning for this is that right now until 2020 chances of getting a Delivery to a nation jumping on the F35 wagon are low, The US, UK, Israeli, Italian, Japanese orders are the priority and until other production lines are fully up to speed. If the Germans need it now early 2018-2020 maybe 2021, but if they can wait till after that point then F35 is the best option

The Germans aren't looking for deliveries before 2025 so it's a moot point...

 

[Jura The idiot]

,,, could we sell you an F-35 today???

I'm still not buying F-35

LOL

...

LOL

 

[FORBIN]

Meantime
85 Tornado but now 93 in service 64 IDS and 29 ECR plus 125 Typhoon on 143 last delivered in 2018 total 218 fighters-bombers in service

Germany favors Eurofighter as it seeks to replace Tornado

BERLIN (Reuters) - The German Defence Ministry said on Monday that the European fighter jet was the leading candidate to replace its Tornado jets, which it wants to start phasing out in 2025.

The ministry’s position appears to contradict that of the German air force, whose chief indicated last month that he preferred Lockheed Martin’s F-35, which meets the military’s requirements of stealth and long-distance operational capabilities.
In a letter to a Greens lawmaker who had inquired about the deliberations, the ministry said the F-35 and Boeing’s F-15 and F-18 fighters were secondary options.
“The indicated view of the inspector of the air force that the F-35 Lightning II is an especially suitable successor to the Tornado system is not the position of the federal government,” Deputy Defence Minister Ralf Brauksiepe wrote in the letter.

The Eurofighter Typhoon is a joint project between British defense group BAE, France’s Airbus and Italy’s Finmeccanica.

The ministry’s preference for the Typhoon is no surprise; France and Germany said earlier this year they would work together to develop a new European fighter, as they expand cooperation on defense and security [nL8N1K43JS].

Many German allies in Europe, including Norway, the Netherlands, Britain, Italy, Turkey and Denmark have selected the F-35 and some have received initial deliveries. Belgium is expected to make a decision next year.

The contract to replace Germany’s 85 Tornado jets, which go out of service around 2030, could be worth billions of euros.


A new fighter purchase would have to be approved by parliament in the next two years and a contract signed by 2020 or 2021 to ensure deliveries by 2025. No final decision is likely before a new government is formed, following elections this past September.

Chancellor Angela Merkel will open talks on Wednesday with the Social Democrats (SPD) on renewing their alliance, which has ruled Germany since 2013. She turned to the SPD after efforts to form a coalition with the environmentalist Greens and the pro-business Free Democrats failed.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

 

[kwaigonegin]

Wut ?!?1 .. It's Christmas already ? *) where are my presents? WHARE??!?!

In case you guys are so incline, I am looking for a Yoshimura full pipe system and a Chiappa White Rhino .357 .. but I will settle for a box of Asian pears! .. a newly discovered passion of mine.

 

[Jura The idiot]

Today at 12:09 PM

Nov 8, 2017

and also according to Jane's, 12 December 2017,
German MoD says Luftwaffe should get more Eurofighters, not F-35s

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

related:
Spat over the F-35 bubbles up in Germany
4 hours ago

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

German Defence Ministry leaders have distanced themselves from their Air Force chief, Lt. Gen. Karl Muellner, over his appetite for the F-35, as at least one lawmaker suspects intrigue seeping into the debate.

Deputy Defence Minister Ralf Brauksiepe clarified Monday that the government views the Eurofighter as the “primary” option for replacing the country’s fleet of Tornado jets in 2025. The U.S.-made F-15E, the F/A-18E/F and the F-35 are considered only as “secondary” choices, he wrote in a letter.

The missive, first reported by Reuters on Monday and independently obtained by Defense News, comes after Muellner said last month he

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

because of its advertised capability to attack targets from so far away that pilots can stay out of the danger of combat.

A review of all aircraft options would be made in a “wholistic context,” Brauksiepe added, a likely nod to the expectation that political and cost considerations could end up trumping operational capabilities.

Brauksiepe’s response is consistent with previous statements by ministry officials, often made privately, who have cringed at Muellner’s outspoken support for the Lockheed Martin-made F-35. Exactly how much sway the Air Force will have in a final decision remains to be seen.

An air service spokesman declined to comment.

Those here opposed to choosing the F-35 argue that the advent of that aircraft in Germany could endanger German-French plans for an entirely new plane, announced to much fanfare in July. Leaders from both countries consider that project an important part of the vision for greater military prowess of the European Union.

Brauksiepe’s letter states that the German government is “firmly determined to move forward” with the Berlin-Paris cooperation. “Initial activities have already begun.”

Meanwhile, the Green Party’s Franziska Brantner, whose Dec. 4 inquiry prompted Brauksiepe’s written response, said in a statement to Defense News that the government should take a stronger position against the F-35 idea.

“The ministry apparently does not have its own top personnel under control,” she said. Instead of clearly rebuking Muellner for pressing ahead with plans in opposition to the German-French collaboration, she said, officials offered only a rebuttal that is “soft as wax.”

Brantner called it “scandalous” that copies of Brauksiepe’s letter, which she said ministry officials should have sent only to her office as the parliamentarian posing the question, were given to the press before she had a chance to review it.

The move, she contended, suggests that there are behind-the-scenes stakeholders involved who are eager to “create facts” in Germany’s armaments policy.

Defense officials are expected to request formal bids from vendors for a Tornado-replacement program next year. Given the effort’s envisioned scope, the price tag could lie in the billions of dollars.