F-22P and 053 series

Blackstone said:

Problem is, Stockholm International Peace Research Institution shows Pakistan averaged 3.3% GDP for defense in the last decade, while its neighbors spent less of the GDP on defense. India averaged 2.5% GDP, Afghanistan 1.2%, Bangladesh 1.2%, Thailand 1.5% and Iran 2.9%. So the question is why Pakistan spends so much more on defense, when its economy isn't in good shape?

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Pakistan's reference threat is India, a nation that has a much larger economy than Pakistan. Even devoting a lower proportion of its GDP to military spending, India still spends significantly more than Pakistan, and it is this reality that bounds Pakistan's own spending. Absolute spending is what matters in this context, not % of GDP, as it is absolute spending that translates into soldiers, platforms and capabilities.

Both India and Pakistan today devote proportionally fewer resources to military spending than in eras past, and we can only applaud this, nonetheless international relations set certain bounds. Pakistani military spending is bounded by India, Indian military spending is bounded by China, and China's military spending is bounded by the United States. Indeed, the United States is the real outlier in any discussion of military spending. As a very large, wealthy, and strategically isolated nation, by all rights it could spend far less than it does -- in both absolute and proportional terms -- whilst preserving its security. If one wishes to reduce military spending around the world, the international dynamics and the uniquely secure position of the USA mean that there is no better place to start than Washington D.C.

The international dynamics of military spending point to the overriding importance of diplomacy in resolving areas of actual and potential contention, thereby allowing military spending to stabilise at a low level that allows humanity in all nations to flourish.

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A.Man said:

Another 15 years:

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I really hope they put a VDS/TAS out the back end or else this thing has just become a glorified 056....

A.Man said:

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New type of CWIS?

Iron Man said:

I really hope they put a VDS/TAS out the back end or else this thing has just become a glorified 056....

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There are photos of the 053 with a TAS.

Iron Man said:

I really hope they put a VDS/TAS out the back end or else this thing has just become a glorified 056....

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An 056 with a hanger and more anti-ship missiles and a bigger gun and CIWS and better range/endurance.

Or in other words, not an 056 at all.

Lethe said:

An 056 with a hanger and more anti-ship missiles and a bigger gun and CIWS and better range/endurance.

Or in other words, not an 056 at all.

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Did I say it was a 056? I said it was a glorified 056, which is not the same thing. Try reading before you post because you obviously missed the point, which is that this frigate will have missed the opportunity to be a decent ASW platform without the presence of VDS/TAS. Hence, a glorified 056.

From Henri K

The photos Wednesday , February 22 on show that the old Chinese frigate 564 Yichang , of type Type 053H3 , is now equipped with a new model of CIWS for its self-defense.




The new CIWS on the old frigates Type 053H3 (Photo: 海军 海军)

The Chinese frigate, admitted to active service in December 1999, is the 4th Type 053H3 out of the 10 buildings built in total. It had begun its mid-life redesign since the first quarter of 2015, and reintegrated the Northern Fleet in January 2017.

The ship has undergone many improvements and updates, including its sensors and armaments. Examples include a new suite of active electronic jammers, the renewal of shooting radars, the former H / HQ-7 anti-aircraft defense system replaced by the new HQ-10 missile CIWS , and the four Type 76A 37mm double-barrel gun turrets, installed two in the front and two in the helicopter hangar, left their seats to two new 7-tube CIWS gauges of 30 mm.


Type 053H3 frigate to the old configuration before redesign (Photo: 海 海)


New configuration of Type 053H3 after redesign, here the sistership 566 Huaihua (Photo: 汉 防务 防务)

For the last layer of close defense, Chinese first and second-line vessels are mainly endowed with three different types of CIWS -

• The H / PJ-11 with 11 tubes of 30 mm caliber, capable of defending against flying targets up to Mach 4 thanks to a firing rate of almost 10 000 rd / min. It is installed on the Liaoning aircraft carrier , the most recent Chinese destroyers like Type 055 , and from the 17th Type 054A frigate .

• The H / PJ-12 with 7 tubes of 30 mm caliber, with a firing rate up to 4 200 rd / min. It is the most widespread model in Chinese fleets today and is equipped with many first-line destroyers and frigates.

• The H / PJ-13 with 6 tubes of 30 mm caliber, resulting from the retro-engineering of the Soviet AK-630 . This Chinese version is considered the "low-cost" solution and is installed for example on the Type 22 FAC or the Type 071 amphibious ships .

There are also two other CIWS single-tube models, the H / PJ-14 and the H / PJ-17 , which are installed on Type 056 tankers and corvettes .

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The CIWS H / PJ-12


The CIWS PJ-12B dedicated to export

The CIWS H / PJ-13


The CIWS H / PJ-15

The CIWS H / PJ-17

But this new CIWS which is on the frigate 564 Yichang is physically different from these five models. Its turret is similar to the degraded version of H / PJ-12 which is offered for export - the PJ-12B - but the shape is made "stealthy", and its tubes are wrapped as on the AK-630 for cooling To water.

There are also some interesting points about this new model - Unlike H / PJ-11 and H / PJ-12, which are used in Chinese first-line buildings, it has no integrated optronic and radar sensors. Two turrets then share the same tracking and fire control system. This mechanically degrades the reactivity, the multi-target capability and the accuracy of the system, but in counterpart it makes it possible to greatly reduce the cost.

For example, the overall performance of H / PJ-12 is 23% higher than that of H / PJ-13, which has a "distributed" fire control system, according to the official assessment of the Chinese Navy.

Then, these two new CIWS replaced four former Type 76A turrets for the close defense of the frigate, that is to say that their performance is at least equal, if not superior. If the Chinese navy did not choose to implement the Russian imitation H / PJ-13, which is usually installed by four on large buildings, it would also mean that the new system is also more efficient .

It can therefore be estimated that this new CIWS would be cheaper than the H / PJ-12, which would cost € 6.5 million each, not to mention H / PJ-11, but better than other existing systems.

This would be a solution that combines economy and performance, and would be better suited to second-line vessels, or old buildings to be remodeled, with medium to low intensity missions.

It is unknown for the moment the name of its manufacturer, but it could act of the Factory 152 of the Chinese armaments group NORINCO.

Finally, a few words on the fate of Type 053H3 frigates - of the 10 vessels built between 1996 and 2005, two completed their mid-life redesign , including 564 Yichang and two others (565, 567) are currently under construction . Four of the oldest (521-524), which are in service in the Eastern Fleet, have not been altered, probably because the new Type 054A joined this fleet abundantly, or the mid-life revision was Already passed when the improvement program was decided. So remain the two last small, admitted to active duty in 2005, which will reach mid-life only in 2020.

Henri K.