CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations

[kwaigonegin]

Bltizo you think reliable ?

4000k is much less than 10% of displacement and when it comes to carriers it's certainly no biggie. In the Nimitz class there is a spread of 2-5k between vessels at any given day and their dimensions are the same. Some newer subsystems may weigh more, maybe extra venting,cabling, extra toilets , mechanical contraptions, sensors etc and BOOM you have that extra 4k!

As you said deck area would be increase with a smaller footprint of the reduced island. 300 sq m^2 is like the size of a large house (not mansion) so it's entirely plausible.

Impossible to say if reliable until we see pictures however it is certainly not all surprisingly if that's the case.

 

[damitch300]

Yes but it could alao be lighter.
Newer stronger and lighter materials.
Instead of many copper cables you can have glass or ethernet etc.
So it could go 2 directions in the end

 

[taxiya]

Bltizo you think reliable ?

I would think in two extremities. Either this person is totally making it up, a fanboy, or he/she is someone in the design department having accurate figures, a real insider.

No outsider like most of us can be that specific except the two types above.

 

[kwaigonegin]

Yes but it could alao be lighter.
Newer stronger and lighter materials.
Instead of many copper cables you can have glass or ethernet etc.
So it could go 2 directions in the end

unlikely.. take the APARS for the 052s for example.. much bigger much heavier.. same with Burkes ... always gets heavier not lighter LOL

On individual components you are partly right some heavier some lighter but when talking holistically as a whole weapon system I think she will be displace more than Liaoning even before I read this post. 4K to me sounds about right.

Just like I think Liaoning displaces more than Kutnetsov although official figures are not published and she is obviously much 'newer'.

 

[Jeff Head]

Well, now we need to see the 2nd half of the island lifted...see some progress on the elevators and the various sponsons...and then have some time for internal wiring and plumbing to be in order...then we will see the Chinese launch their first indigenous carrier.

So...let's see the 2nd half of the island lifted already!

Maybe next week?

I am still saying most likely 2nd quarter of 2017 before launch...which itself will be fairly phenomenal because I will mean that they went from keel laying to launch of a 65,000 ton major aircraft carrier in 30 months. That's a very good accomplishment.

 

[FORBIN]

Well, now we need to see the 2nd half of the island lifted...see some progress on the elevators and the various sponsons...and then have some time for internal wiring and plumbing to be in order...then we will see the Chinese launch their first indigenous carrier.

So...let's see the 2nd half of the island lifted already!

Maybe next week?

I am still saying most likely 2nd quarter of 2017 before launch...which itself will be fairly phenomenal because I will mean that they went from keel laying to launch of a 65,000 ton major aircraft carrier in 30 months. That's a very good accomplishment.

USN have commisionned btw 1986 - 1998 all the 3 years 1 CVN much more big and capable and we have see also with USSR more impressive things and in more big qty also...

And the 2 Clemenceau commissioned in two years nah

 

[Jeff Head]

USN have commisionned btw 1986 - 1998 all the 3 years 1 CVN much more big and capable and we have see also with USSR more impressive things and in more big qty also...

And the 2 Clemenceau commissioned in two years nah

Clemencau are much smaller...but are also CATOBAR.

The fastest US nuclear carrier was USS John Stennis, CVN-74:

Laid Down: March 1991
Launched: November 1993

That was 32 months for a 100,000 ton nuclear carrier..really amazing.

Sill, for China to do what it has done with its first large carrier of 65,000 tons in 30 months is amazing too. I would have thought it would have taken them longer. 36 months at least.

 

[FORBIN]

Clemencau are much smaller...but are also CATOBAR.

The fastest US nuclear carrier was USS John Stennis, CVN-74:

Laid Down: March 1991
Launched: November 1993

That was 32 months for a 100,000 ton nuclear carrier..really amazing.

Jocking for Clemenceau

In fact in general the main limitation is budget USN funds a CVN on 5/7 years for construction if you have big budget a sufficient shipyard and if you get workforce build fast it is not a real problem.
During WWII as i have say Essex not a CVN but for this time a big ship ...some build in 19 months in war time funds illimited...

 

[weig2000]

USN have commisionned btw 1986 - 1998 all the 3 years 1 CVN much more big and capable and we have see also with USSR more impressive things and in more big qty also...

And the 2 Clemenceau commissioned in two years nah

Different eras, different circumstances. There is simply no need for China, or for that matter, any country to build carriers at that rate. If it were really necessary, China can build carriers simultaneously at four shipyards which have the infrastructure and sophistication to handle the job: JNCX, DL, HDZH, and BoHai. At that rate, they could deliver a carrier almost one per year.

And we've seen Chinese shipyards doing things like that, as in 052C/D's (and likely 055 too), 054A's etc. Yes, I'm aware carriers are much bigger than destroyers and frigates, but once you overcome the technology barriers of building key subsystems, the challenge of building carriers is not necessarily greater than building a large destroyer like 055 in many respects. The key then becomes project management and production management, a skill Chinese shipyards have shown to be as good as any.

Point being: apples and oranges.

 

[Intrepid]

Hanger room is easier to guess though - without the P-700 VLS they can make the necessary redesign of compartments' layout to make more room for hanger?

We observed modul by modul putting the ship together and saw, that the hangar of type 001A has exact the same size than the hangar of Liaoning. The forward bulkhead is at the same frame than on Liaoning, and the aft bulkhead, too.