Chinese oversea bases

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  1. plawolf
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    Is any of this confirmed or is it conjecture?

    China has built other infrastructure projects in Afghanistan without needing to deploy PLA troops as security.

    Any troops Afghanistan provides would already be trained, and any additional training needed on new weapons and equipment should be minimal at best, as I seriously doubt China will be supplying much more than what the Afghan forces are already equipped with.

    Any Chinese presence in the building of the base will be limited in both scope and duration.

    Afghanistan is a worthless backwater without anything of worth to fund its development, which makes its people vulnerable to exploitation from warlords and foreign extremists.

    Even a small sum to most people is probably a small fortune to locals. And with little to no education and medieval moral norms, if you flashed some cash, you will probably literally have a line of locals willing to dust off their ancient AKs and shoot whoever you ask them to.

    When those poorly armed locals with next to no training try to attack professional foreign soldiers, the inevitable happens and they come home in body bags riddled with bullets, and the foreign soldiers now have a blood feud with half the village.

    China would be stupid to want a piece of that crapcake.

    China want an Afghanistani staffed military base on its boarder to police that area to stop extremists coming across before Chinese boarder security have to deal with them on Chinese soil. It is willing to pay for its building and upkeep, but what it does not want is Chinese boots manning it.

    The whole point of the base is to stop extremists, so that means patrols and combat.

    No matter how well trained or equipped, soldiers will die on such combat patrols, and any insurgents those soldiers kill in turn will have friends and family who will want blood for their deaths.

    The literal whole point of this base is to stop, or at least massive reduce, Chinese security forces casualties and prevent China from becoming a target for extremists by not have extremists die by Chinese hands if possible.
     
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    China needs a naval base close to the Straits of Malacca, due to the close proximity Indian islands of Andaman and Nicobar which is a blocade threat. The perfect candidate would be Myanmar, such as an naval base at Kyaukpyu or Coco islands.
     
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    Posting this here since I can't seem to find the overseas deployments thread or was it renamed as this thread?

    http://english.chinamil.com.cn/view/2018-02/12/content_7942164.htm

     
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    https://www.defensenews.com/digital...a-cedes-major-port-to-china-fueling-tensions/
     
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    IF there is such a "Chinese base", and IF the Chinese presence is as you said "army engineers, trainers etc.". That is possible, but that is hardly a military presence that worth to be related to something like a military base. China has sent thousands Army Engineers to Pakistan to build the Karakurum highway. They were soldiers. The formation was renamed to a "civilian" outfit "China Construction Engineering Corps." since 1983. It is pretty likely it is this company doing the contruction in Afgahanistan if the report is true. They are ex-military unit, they are still semi-military organized. But it is more closer to an infrastructure contract, and certainly carries NO military role.

    As "bringing in Chinese troops for security", that is unlikely, China has been conducting constructions in both Pakistan and Afghanistan, relying on local security forces. That is for many years. What is the point of changing that if it works well excepts upset the locals?

    I am afraid this is just another scaremongering act by some (two) parties (and you know who) like "the Pakistani harbor is a military base", or "please open the wakhan corridor to transport supplies for me". The purpose is simple, to pit Chinese against Taliban or the locals to offload the fire on their ass.

    Having a military base on foreign soil sounds "good", but does not serve well, quite opposite. Chinese know that. Chinese will avoid boots on the ground UNLESS 1) the locals can not do their job 2) the locals are committed to invite China to set foot. And the locals is not just a weak government who does not have the backing of population majority.
     
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    Tthere was recently a short-lived kerfuffle in the Australian media about a possible Chinese base in Vanuatu. There may or may not be any truth to the story, but it provides another good example of western hypocrisy:

    Australian Broadcasting Corporation
    Remember folks, some countries are allowed to have foreign bases and other countries are not. Some countries are permitted to assert their sovereignty, while other countries are not. Some countries are deemed to have legitimate security interests, while other countries are not.
     
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    Likely Chinese Type 039 Song-class SSK in Djibouti on 1 and 4 April. No sign of the Type 925 that typically supports PLAN subs, but the Type 903 Tai Hu (889) was there on April 17.

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    Wow... a diesel sub sailed all across the Indian ocean to Djibouti.
     
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    It is obvious sooner or latter they will built the pier

    China builds new facility in Djibouti base for anti-piracy operations
    By Liu Yang and Yin Han Source:Global Times Published: 2018/5/31 18:38:39
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    Military builds ‘necessary facilities’ at Djibouti base
    China will construct a facility at its base in Djibouti for anti-piracy purposes to safeguard peace and stability in the region and the world, the Ministry of National Defense said on Thursday after Western media reported that China was building a dock for naval vessels.

    "After holding talks with Djibouti, China has decided to build the necessary facilities at the base for either side to use," defense ministry spokesman Ren Guoqiang told the Global Times on Thursday.

    The construction was to "better fulfill China's international responsibilities including anti-piracy work and to maintain the peace and stability of Africa and the world," Ren said.

    UK-based Jane's Defence Weekly reported on May 23 that "China has begun to construct a pier at its military base in Djibouti."

    Satellite images showed construction began some time after the end of April, the report said, and that the newly constructed pier extended about 330 meters into the sea by May 20.

    Ren also said that a forum on China-Africa defense and security will be held in China from June 26 to July 10.

    Officials and officers of national defense departments of African countries are expected to attend it.

    The Chinese People's Liberation Army support base in Djibouti conducted live-fire drills on May 12 to gauge the performance of weapons and to prepare troops for counter-terrorism operations.

    The base is China's first overseas base and began its operation on August 1.

    Source:http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1104961.shtml
     
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    Here is statement of MOD. Interesting location of all the pier in Djibouti seem like China own several of them via Adam Wang. The new pier will be big enough to accomodate Carrier!

    China establishes new port in Djibouti base and realizes land reclamation of 330 meters in one month
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    A spokesperson for China recently said that China and Djibouti have reached an important agreement and that China will build a new terminal at the Djibouti base so that the Chinese and Kyrgyz parties can use it together. The Chinese side stated that this new terminal is of great significance and is designed to better fulfill China's anti-piracy mission and to ensure peace and stability in the periphery. This is also the first time that Chinese officials have announced plans for the construction of a new terminal.

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    Not long ago, foreign media said that China has completed an agreement with Djibouti and will build a new terminal at the Djibouti base. It is expected that the total length of the new terminal will be greater than 450 meters after it is completed. According to satellite monitoring, it can be seen that in early May China began to build a new dock in the Djibouti-based Linhai area. The dock has a large area and can be completely docked with large battleships such as destroyers. Of course, Chinese aircraft carriers may also include them.

    Foreign media reported that there was evidence of reclamation on Djibouti sea surface on May 7. China also dispatched large trucks to transport raw materials back and forth from Djibouti quarry. According to media reports, nearly a month has passed since June 6. The length of China's reclamation is about 330 meters. It is expected that it will continue to expand, and at least 450 meters. According to the South China Morning Post, the main purpose of establishing a wharf in China is to fight piracy and maintain the stable development of Africa.

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    Many military enthusiasts are aware that Djibouti's east side is the Red Sea, and it is a must-see route for the Gulf of Aden and the Red Sea. Its strategic location is special, and therefore it is also an important target for many countries. In particular, the port of Djibouti is the most ideal choice for the naval docking of many neighboring countries. The United States, France, and Japan have established large-scale military bases here, and China is the fourth country to establish a large-scale overseas base here.

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    Through the above figure, we can see the specific usage of the Russian port in Djibouti. The No. 1 represents the old port where the Chinese No. 039 submarine had just docked, and the No. 2, 3, and No. 4 represent the Doreha Multi-functional Port where China participated in the construction. In these three ports, No. 2 represents the Chinese container port, No. 3 represents the finished oil port, and No. 4 represents the port of cargo transportation. The number 3 is owned by Djibouti, and the numbers 2 and 4 are jointly owned by both China and Dubai.


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    As for this new dock can dock large battleships and destroyers, this indicates that the development potential of the port is great, and of course, it is also possible to call aircraft carriers and super large-scale weapons equipment such as nuclear submarines. This also shows that China has more stops in Djibouti and is completely free from restrictions. It can also complement the protection base.

    This is actually much better than some countries are doing free cruising. China pays more attention to the actual infrastructure and values a more complete system.
     
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