China's SCS Strategy Thread

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  1. Gatekeeper
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47264476

    For every action there's a reaction. Haha.
    After Williamson's comments. Visit by Hammonds cancelled. There's a surprise. All the hard work by the previous premier and his chancellor David Cameron and George Osborne to mend relationship with China after the holy one, Dala Lama debacle goes up in smoke.
    Looks like the "Great Britain" is going to be stuck as a mediocre country!
     
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    The article does a reasonable comment on the overall situation.
    But yeah what a self-inflicted wound there.

    The Russians also have rather terrible relations with the British because of several incidents.
    It does not sound to me like the UK will have a lot more trading opportunities once they leave the EU.
    Probably the opposite given their foreign policy. They need to remember they do not have the Empire anymore.
     
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    I find the release of the UK report essentially clearing Huawei as of very interesting timing.

    Gavin Williamson made a muppet of himself trying to sound like some tough guy by shit talking China for no good reason, and scuttled months of quiet behind the scenes work by the treasury and foreign office.

    A long planned trade mission was abruptly cancelled, and soon after the report was ‘leaked’.

    I have no doubt the British had planned to use the report as a bargaining chip in the planned trade negotiations, but thanks to big mouth Gavin, they had to essentially give that card up for nothing to do damage control to get the trade meeting to happen at all.

    There’s good reason Gavin was always considered one of the top muppets in the cabinet. With this cabinet, that’s saying something!
     
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    if a country attacks another country in its territorial water is it equivalent to attacking land?

    Say China considers the islands and taiwan and the waters around it to be its territory. Would US attack in those waters trigger full Chinese retaliation against US mainland? Or would US intervention be strictly in international waters and supply chain to allies?
     
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    Legally, yes.

    But practically, no.

    A full scale war across both mainlands is likely to be super costly in terms of casualties and would be dangerous to the world itself.

    An American attack on say Taiwan or one of the fortified islands would probably just result in a local clash, where PLA tries to retake the area and sink a decent number of USN until they deem it too costly and a peace treaty can be negotiated.
     
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    some time ago, Aug 26, 2017
    now
    https://www.news.com.au/finance/chi...story/7805269e5fe270f59e7657328f0c6382#.jajlp China’s latest island grab: Fishing ‘militia’ makes move on sandbars around Philippines’ Thitu Island
    Beijing has snatched another patch of the South China Sea, with its “militia” seizing control of a string of sandbars and denying fishermen access.

    March 5, 2019 1:57pm
     
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    and those sandbars also inside
    Philippines Worried It May Get Involved in War at Sea for US https://www.military.com/daily-news...s-worried-it-may-get-involved-war-sea-us.html
     
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    Even the Philippines is worried a shooting war may occur anytime. Island defense for the islands needs to be expedited to defend against the escalating belligerence at this important Chinese trade route.
     
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    Read between the lines. The US took the unprecedented step of dispensing with their historically preferred position of stratetic ambiguity to clarify that it would come to the defence of the Philippines if attacked (by China) in the SCS, that is a huge carrot that the US has just given up to the Philippines.

    But soon after, you have the Philippines defence minister no less, effectively publicly calling for a re-evaluation of the Mutual Defense Treaty.

    Now it’s a very different picture emerging. Instead of one of US strength, it’s one of American weakness.

    It just offered up a huge concession, but still the Philippines is publicly making noises to step away from their mutual defence treaty. Of course the western media would do all it can to obscure that fact, but this very much looks like a huge crack appearing in America’s much vaunted network of alliances.
     
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    Of course the Phillipines government did something like that. This US administration has a lot of talk, but if push actually came to shove they would only act on their own interests. They don't respect treaties let alone unsubstantiated comments like this.
     
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