SinoSoldier
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If transparency is the surprise here, keep in mind that the Chinese had no qualms about displaying their FC-31 cockpit to the public in 2014.
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If transparency is the surprise here, keep in mind that the Chinese had no qualms about displaying their FC-31 cockpit to the public in 2014.
Was it ever confirmed by AVIC that the particular cockpit simulator was for FC-31, or was it merely a demonstrator of various technologies?
SinoSoldier
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The LCD displayed a F-35-type airframe, so I think chances are high. The FC-31's subsystems would have to be shown sooner or later.
Possibly, but then again let's not forget an F-35 style airframe is also the most generic fifth generation configuration, and for all we know the display was merely a demonstrator showing a plausible and generic aircraft rather than FC-31 itself -- [EDIT:] if the cockpit display were actually meant to be for FC-31 we would have known and AVIC would have advertised it as such.
I also sincerely doubt that demonstrator 31001 is actually fielding such a cockpit display.
There's also the factor that even if the demonstrator cockpit at Zhuhai were meant to be for FC-31, it is for an export product meant to generate interest in the same way that flight demonstrations of FC-1 and displays of FC-1's cockpit simulator generates interest. It goes without saying that no such display of any systems meant from the outset to be for domestic use has occurred in recent memory.
So my original point regarding the J-16's potential cockpit display stands, based on the previous patterns of disclosure of key domestic in service subsystems, as well as the current lack of current evidence for the kind of cockpit J-16 is using... we do not know whether J-16 actually is fielding a new single LCD display cockpit.
Don't get me wrong it would be great if it were, but the logic and the evidence and previous patterns at the moment have no significant support for it.
SinoSoldier
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Fair enough.
However, just because the cockpit wasn't advertised as being part of the FC-31 doesn't mean that the figher won't or can't adopt it. We know that SAC wants the FC-31 to be a very modular and customer-tailored aircraft, so anything is up in the air at the moment.
I think that the LCD screen I posted is only a part of the J-16's cockpit; it looks too small to be a single-LCD cockpit.
Yes, for all we know FC-31 may eventually adopt certain components from various cockpit subsystems that have been displayed over the years.
But the point is that as far as we know, the cockpit is not as of yet related to FC-31 and also is unlikely to be aboard the current 31001 demonstrator aircraft.
It is too early to say if it is even included within J-16's cockpit, and as I said before, at present there is insufficient evidence, logic and inferences from past patterns to suggest that it is... however if it were part of J-16's cockpit (or indeed the cockpit of any future fighter aircraft), then it likely would be complemented by an additional display or two.
GreenestGDP
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I think this picture below is the previous generation predecessor of the
alleged J-16 * Panoramic cockpit display.
In 2008_Nov, ... ... this picture below was taken.
In 2015_Nov, alleged to be J-16 * Panoramic cockpit display below.
I am very surprised.
Blitzo, ... are you saying that you have NEVER seen this other previous
generation Panoramic cockpit display picture before today ?
That means 7 years ago an Electronic Component Maker in China was already manufacturing a Panoramic cockpit display console.
1) Does that means most frontline PLAAF fighters are already using
Panoramic cockpit display before F35 ?
2) How come personally I have never seen any video showing some glimpse of
Panoramic cockpit display inside J-11B, J-10A cockpit ?
Of course I have am aware of all the various supposed single piece displays you have listed, however we have not seen any of them actually used aboard a fighter yet, which is one of the reasons as to why I am doubtful about the single piece display being used on J-16 without any other supporting evidence.
In other words, all of these displays have been shown at expos like zhuhai air show but none of them have yet to actually enter service .
GreenestGDP
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IMHO = In My Humble Observations
IMHO, ... ...
I just did an extensive search on Google and Baidu.
Apparently, there is no sideview image showing a
multi--functions panoramic display with a PLA pilot inside the cockpit.
Look at the helmet. ... Is that a J-7 cockpit ?
As usual, PLA are hiding their abilities again.
1) 7 years ago an Electronic Component Maker in China was already manufacturing this type of Panoramic cockpit display console, and showing
it in 2008 Zhuhai Aeronautics trade show.
2) 7 years is a very, very, very, ... ... long time in China's
ultra competitive electronic universe.
The Panoramic cockpit display which is alleged to be used by J-16 could
be the 3rd or the 4th generation product in terms of technological advancement.
3) Obviously, 99.99% logical fighter pilot minds in China seeing and
trying this multi--functions--panoramic display, will certainly choose
this type of multi--functions--panoramic display concept,
because it is much more flexible, intuitive, and it brings much
improved situational battle awareness than previous display.
And if Blitzo ... ...
you had already seen those images since 7 years ago from 2008
Zhuhai Trade show, then it means ... ...
it is very high probability that ShenYang and ChengDu have already
equipped their aircrafts ( prototype and production aircrafts ) with these
multi--functions--panoramic display since at the very least year 2008.
Only so called CLUELESS and almost zero--know--how pundits such as
Dave Majumdar will UNDER estimate PLA abilities, and yet at the same time
bending over backward to OVER estimate and exaggerate the
China threat theory to global peace.
Do you think ShenYang was showing the OLD fashioned display
to impress President XI ?
Central Party Secretary XI Jin Ping inspecting J-15 display
Central Party Secretary XI Jin Ping, let's check his facial expression
... ... was he impressed with J-15 display ?
Other PLA Multi--Functions--Panoramic display
brought to you by Qwerrty @ Defense.pk
The guilty and < Clueless and Almost--Zero--Know--How >
Indian descendant,
Dave Majumdar ... ... clutching his nervous fist
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GreenestGDP... I've never said that the Air Force may not implement these new cockpit displays.
However, even the newest fighter aircraft with a cockpit with a configuration that we have confirmed is the J-10B which has a similar arrangement to F-16E.
Until we have confirmation that any of the new fighters are actually sin these new displays, we cannot assume that those new wide screen displays are actually being implemented.
We have pictures of cockpits of all recent fighters up to and including J-10A, JF-17, J-11B/BS, J-15, J-10B.
We do not have cockpit pictures f J-10C, J-16, J-11D, J-20 (especially the 201x prototypes), or FC-31, and it is possible that they field or May field the new cockpit displays... But with current evidence we cannot assume that to be true yet, and that is independent of any bias.
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