antiterror13
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how about J-11A?, going to be upgraded as well ?
China Flanker Thread II
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SinoSoldier
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It's a bit of both. Without a doubt, the J-11D retains certain components of the J-11B for compatibility's sake, but it certainly incorporates new subsystems as well including (but not limited to) a new AESA radar, new FBW systems, new cockpit, etc.
I'm skeptical about the claim made by CJDBY since the J-11D hasn't even entered production yet. Unless, of course, the entire program is simply of a MLU of the J-11B.
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Due to problems with the engine, I have a feeling that J-11Ds might enter service before the J-20s.
manqiangrexue
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Huh? If J-20 enters service with WS-15, then obviously, J-11D will enter service first since. If J-20 enters service with AL-31 variant, then there would be a race, but it wouldn't be due to engine issues. Now they're really not comparable. J-11D is basically an upgrade to an extremely experienced design while J-20 is a new beast of a new league.
These several posts are just a bunch of REALLY GREAT...REALLY NEAT pics by78! Awesome and thanks!
China made a really good decision to import Su-27 as template for their modern heavy 4th(western) gen fighter. The Russians wanted them to consider the Mig-29 but the military knew what they are looking for.
It ended up good for Russia as well Sukhoi got some needed cash, some of which may have contributed to the development of Su-34, 35 and the T-50
It ended up good for Russia as well Sukhoi got some needed cash, some of which may have contributed to the development of Su-34, 35 and the T-50
Except for the part where China used licensed production to completely reverse engineer and iterate the Su-27 and its entire production process.
JayBird
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In the grand scheme of things, whether China completely reverse engineer the Su-27 and its entire production process is not really that significant when you compare the other outcome, with out the Chinese contracts Sukhoi would probably go belly up.
So... no_name's comment still correct that at the end of the day it's still win win for both side.
MastanKhan
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From PDF @ bratva
It was reported that 607 Institute has been developing a new active radar homing AAM (dubbed ?) comparable to American AIM-120D and may have evolved from the earlier PL-12C/D design. The missile was seen being tested onboard a J-11B fighter. Compared to PL-12, the missile features stabilizing fins and tailfins with reduced wingspans, suggesting its design is optimized for internal carriage by the 4th generation fighters such as and FC-31. PL-15 also features an improved guidance system (including duplex datalink and new active/passive dual mode seeker with enhanced ECCM capability). The missile is thought to have a new dual pulse rocket motor in favor of a ramjet engine, giving it not only a longer range (~200km?) but also a relatively small body size. It appears PL-15 has superseded the PL-12 series as the primary LRAAM for the 4th generation stealth fighters. The latest rumor (September 2015) claimed that PL-15 was test-fired successfully from a J-16.
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Comments of American General on Chinese Next GEN PL-15 BVRAAM
- 16 SEPTEMBER, 2015
- BY: JAMES DREW
- WASHINGTON DC
Air Combat Command chief Gen Hawk Carlisle says the computer-killing capability, which knocks out electronic equipment with bursts of high-frequency electromagnetic energy, is a “great capability” that will be fielded in small numbers initially with US Global Strike Command – the air force’s nuclear combat force.
In terms of air superiority weapons, Carlisle says the development of next-generation air-to-air missiles is also “an exceptionally high priority”.
Raytheon’s AMRAAM is the current go-to Western weapon for beyond-visual-range air combat, but new long-range missiles being fielded by Russia and China are a significant concern to the Pentagon.
Carlisle says outmatching the Chinese PL-15 air-to-air missile in particular is an “exceedingly high priority”.
“The PL-15 and the range of that missile, we’ve got to be able to out-stick that missile,” he says.
The air force is currently exploring a range of next-generation weapon concepts as it also pursues a sixth-generation fighter aircraft.
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Speaking at a Feb. 12 media roundtable during the conference, Gen. Herbert Carlisle said Air Dominance 2030 supplants talk of a single sixth-generation F-X or F/A-XX to instead focus on multi-domain capabilities. He pointed to air, space and cyber capabilities as well as new munition loadouts.
The general said long-range standoff munitions and even new air-to-air missiles to replace the AIM-120D AMRAAM and AIM-9X Sidewinder would be included in the air superiority discussion.
He said the capabilities being developed by America's potential adversaries, such as the Chinese PL-15 air-to-air missile, are "incredible."
"I believe if we look at this as we have in the past, we can figure out how to change the game and be better at it," Carlisle said, adding that high-powered lasers and microwave weapons are technical areas showing great promise.
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SinoSoldier
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I think the biggest news to recently come out regarding the J-11B/S is its ability to carry air-to-ground weapons. Such a capability will undoubtedly expand the versatility and operational envelope of the PLAAF's Flanker force.
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