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Lockheed Martin Canada and a number of firms will be announcing their team for the Canadian Surface Combatant program.

Bids are due Nov. 30 for the CSC program which will see the construction of 15 new warships for the Royal Canadian Navy. Lockheed Martin Canada has delivered its bid to Irving Shipbuilding.

Lockheed Martin Canada will be the prime on the team which includes BAE Systems, CAE, L3 Technologies, MDA, and Ultra Electronics.

The team is offering the BAE Type 26 warship for the Canadian program.

The proposal will include Lockheed Martin Canada’s combat management system (CMS) 330.

The CMS 330 is currently on board the modernized Halifax-class frigates. A scaled down version of the system will be used on the Royal Canadian Navy’s new Arctic Offshore Patrol Ship fleet.

“Our team is really excited to get on with the next phase of this acquisition,” Rosemary Chapdelaine, vice president and general manager of Lockheed Martin Canada RMS (Rotary and Mission Systems), said in an interview with Defence Watch.

She said there will be a maximum focus on getting Canadian content on to the warships being offered by the team. “We’re Canadianizing the Type 26,” she added.

Britain began cutting steel on the Type 26 in the summer. It will build eight of the warships.

A number of other warships are also being offered to Canada for the CSC by various consortiums. For its baseline for the Canadian Surface Combatant, a team led by Alion Canada has selected the Dutch De Zeven Provinciën Air Defence and Command (LCF) frigate.

Fincantieri of Italy and Naval Group of France have confirmed they will jointly bid the FREMM frigate for the Canadian Surface Combatant program.

Canadian government officials said Monday that a winning bidder for the CSC is expected to be selected sometime next year. The vessels will be constructed by Irving Shipyards under the National Shipbuilding Strategy.

Lockheed Martin Canada official Gary Fudge said the firm focused on the Type 26 after an extensive look at some of the warships that might fit Canada’s requirements. Fudge, vice president of Canadian Naval Systems Programs for Lockheed Martin Canada RMS (Rotary and Mission Systems), said the Type 26 is a very low risk design and is adaptable to accept various systems including the CMS 330. He noted that less than 10 per cent of the ship overall will have to be changed to accept Canadian required systems.

Chapdelaine said at this point she didn’t want to provide too many details on what exactly the other firms on the team will be providing. CAE is involved in training, MDA has engineering and manufacturing capability, Ultra provides underwater warfare systems, and L3 has a range of defence and electronic products, she added.

“The other thing this team brings is that we have a track record of investing in Canada, investing in technology, as well as exporting,” Chapdelaine explained. “We all have a strong pedigree in both the R and D piece as well as the commitment to doing exports and IRB executions.”

Construction of the CSC is expected to begin in the early 2020s with the first ship delivered in the mid-2020s, government officials said.

The last of the vessels is expected to be built by 2040 and the ships will continue operating until 2070, government officials said Monday.

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Jura said:

the most recent on the topic I've been following since ... let me see ...
Nov 4, 2016
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Canadian Surface Combatant team, led by Lockheed Martin Canada, unveiled

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Published on Nov 28, 2017

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Jura said:

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‘Naval Airbus’ progress: Italian-French frigate pitch for Canada moves forward

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I hope it won't take the direction of aero-Airbus Saturday at 6:41 PM

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Italy’s Fincantieri and France’s Naval Group have said choosing systems like radar will be a major factor in talks to merge their naval activities.

The two firms are currently in talks

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to create a so-called naval Airbus, which would reduce the fragmentation of the European naval industry.

“We hope to conclude the whole operation by end 2018,” Fincantieri CEO Giuseppe Bono told an Italian parliament committee last week, a view shared by a Naval Group spokesman.

Before the committee in Rome, Bono tackled the thorny issue of whether the systems on board any jointly built ships would be Italian or French. Italy’s Leonardo typically supplies systems to Fincantieri vessels, but there are fears in Italy it may be shut out of contracts for Italo-French vessels because French competitor Thales holds a 35 percent stake in Naval Group.

Bono told the committee that Leonardo would continue to supply kits for any vessels built for Italy, while Thales would work on ships built for France. The two firms each supply radar to their own national navies for the FREMM frigates that Italy and France jointly designed. As for export ships, whoever was not picked by the customer to supply systems would receive some form of compensation. The Naval Group spokesman said negotiations being held between Fincantieri, Naval Group and officials from their respective governments would cover issues including the pick of equipment to be fitted on export offerings.

As an added complication, Thales and Naval Group compete in combat management systems, the electronic nerve centers for warships. The United Arab Emirates plans to order Tacticos from Thales over Setis from Naval Group to equip the two Gowind corvettes UAE plans to order. The UAE announced the selection of the Naval Group warships, with an option for two more, at the Dubai Airshow last month.

In a broader context, the merger would help kickstart Europe’s military integration as Britain leaves the EU, an analyst said.

“They [Naval Group and Fincantieri] will be forging the first post-Brexit collaborative program,” said Robbin Laird, analyst with consultancy ICSA in Washington and Paris. “Is it possible to be more collaborative and effective?”

The world frigate market is highly dynamic, with Australia, Britain and the U.S. reshaping the outlook, he said. A cooperation between France and Italy would create “a new European impulse,” in which it will be vital to include a “commonality of systems.” Key decisions will be needed on the systems and weapons to be offered, with a key factor in the “missilization” of frigates, he said.

“Warships are the cheapest way of firing missiles” compared to fighters, he added. The naval cooperation between Italy and France also extends to civil work, given that Fincantieri has already agreed to take a 51 percent stake in French yard STX. As part of the deal, Naval Group will take a 10 percent stake in STX.

In a document supplied to the parliamentary committee in Rome, which has been seen by Defense News, Fincantieri stated: “With the integration of Fincantieri, Naval Group and STX France, Italy and France would have an entity with an approximately 10 billion euro turnover, cutting edge technology, a strong international presence (in over 20 countries), about 35,000 staff, 120,000 indirectly employed and a 50 billion euro backlog.”

In a time chart outlining the progress of talks through until next year, the company stated that in the meantime, the possibility of a share swap of 5-10 percent between Fincantieri and Naval Group will be analyzed.”

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Lockheed Martin and Alion Canada’s bids for the Canadian Surface Combatant programme have been followed on 30 November and 1 December by offerings from Navantia and Naval Group and Fincantieri, respectively, with all participants offering significant engagement with Canadian industry.

Lockheed Martin Canada’s proposal, based around BAE Systems’ Type 26 Global Combat Ship and including involvement from a ‘pan-Canadian team’ including CAE, L3 Technologies, MDA, and Ultra Electronics Maritime Systems, focuses on sustained job creation and development of technology domestically in Canada, with potential export opportunities.

Alion Canada, which has teamed with Damen Shipbuilding, Atlas Elektronik, and Hensoldt, is offering a design based on the Royal Netherlands Navy’s air defence and command frigate (Luchtverdedigings- en commandofregat: LCF).

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Navantia team submits its proposal for CSC Frigate programme

Navantia team has announced the submission of its proposal for the Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) program.

“We are pleased to announce that Navantia-led team has submitted its tender response for the Canadian Surface Combatant program, with Saab Australia as the Combat Systems Integrator (CSI) and CEA Technologies providing key elements of the proposed solution. With a strong heritage in designing and building frigates and destroyers and proven technology transfer in global programs, the Navantia team offers a compliant solution with the best capability for the Royal Canadian Navy and the Canadian shipbuilding industry”, said Navantia Chairman Esteban García Vilasánchez.
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You say it yet on CDF some weeks ago

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Jura said:

it's interesting to watch
Canadian Surface Combatant bids compete on technology transfer, job creation
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As we wrote last September, Naval Group and Fincantieri have chosen to stand together for the bid on future Canadian frigates. Officially out of the woods, the two manufacturers unveiled on December 1 the proposed design in Ottawa. This is a mix of multi-mission frigates built by France and Italy, responding to Canadian needs. This design is based on the Italian platform of the FREMM, the electronics being French, however, especially the combat system (Naval Group) and the radar faces Sea Fire plane (Thales). Armament side, we observe on the presented visual a turret of 127mm, two systems surface-air RAM and light artillery. To this will be added a vertical missile for surface-to-air missiles, probably Aster, which would be preferred by many Canadian soldiers given their performance, but the option of US missiles would still be possible. Like its French and Italian cousins, the Canadian FREMM would therefore have first-class air defense assets, but also equally robust capabilities in the fields of anti-ship and especially anti-submarine warfare, with hull sonar and towed sonar. (CAPTAS). To this will be added the action towards the earth.

This decision by Naval Group (formerly DCNS) and Fincantieri to join forces in this market enables French and Italian manufacturers, on a project where competition is fierce, to reduce competition and maximize their chances of success. "The Canadian government has announced its intention to acquire a NATO standard combat vessel, based on an existing and proven design that can be modified to meet the requirements of the Canadian Navy. Naval Group and Fincantieri, with the full support of the French and Italian governments, will combine their know-how to present to the Canadian government an off-the-shelf solution already proven at sea based on the design of the FREMM frigate for the supply of 15 surface combatants in the Canadian Navy. In the event that this offer is accepted, the future frigates would be built in Canada at the Irving Shipbuilding shipyard in a very short time frame, which will ensure maximum participation by Canadian industry and job creation locally, as part of a complete and dedicated technology transfer. Canadian suppliers would also be integrated into the global supply chain of both companies, "explain Naval Group and Fincantieri.

For the record, the Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) program aims to replace the 12 City-type frigates that were put into service between 1992 and 1996 in the next decade, as well as the three tribal destroyers, all of whom are now retired. They will succeed a new fleet of up to 15 buildings for an estimated budget of 26 billion Canadian dollars, or nearly 18 billion euros. The construction of the seed must be launched in the early 2020s in a site imposed by the Canadian government and with which international groups competing for the design and the combat system will collaborate. It is Halifax Shipyards, a subsidiary of the Irwing Group, designated in 2011 to carry out CHCs as part of the national shipbuilding strategy, adopted by Canada to revive its industry.

The selection process initially put in place by Canada, with a double call for tenders, one for the platform and the other for the combat system, proved to be very complex, the interested industry believing that presented too high risks and different problems, including intellectual property issues. After being alerted by several major players in the sector that they might not submit an offer in these conditions, the Canadian government has overhauled and simplified the procedure last year. Finally, 12 companies were shortlisted in the summer of 2017 to continue the competition and submit an offer.

Apart from Naval Group and Fincantieri, were selected (in alphabetical order) the American engineering company Alion Science and Technology, the German Atlas Elektronik, the British BAE Systems, Lockheed Martin Canada, the Navantia Spaniard, the Danish Odense Maritime Technology, Saab Australia, Italian Leonardo, Thales Nederland and German TKMS.

These different manufacturers came together to submit joint offers on November 30th. Among them, there is the solution, considered by many observers as a favorite starter, of an adaptation of the future British frigate type 26, with a consortium of Lockheed Martin Canada, BAE Systems, CAE, L3 Technologies, MDA and Ultra Electronics. Alion Canada, for its part, presents an offer based on the design of the Dutch frigates of the LCF type, while Navantia, allied notably to Saab, submits a variant of the F100 model, built for the Spanish and Australian navies. Odense shares an evolution of the Danish Iver Huitfeldt and TKMS probably on a declination of the new German frigates type F125.

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Frégates canadiennes : Naval Group et Fincantieri dévoilent leur offre commune
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Franco-Italian partners Naval Group and Fincantieri filed their joint offer in a frigate tender directly to Canada‘s defense ministry, rather than submitting the bid to prime contractor Irving Shipbuilding, a spokesman for the French company said Monday.

“The bid was outside the competition procedure, it was a spontaneous offer,” the spokesman told Defense News. The competition rules called for offers to be submitted to Irving.

The two companies submitted their Nov. 30 offer of the FREMM multimission frigate to the ministry, part of a strategy to protect intellectual property rights on the technology, the spokesman said.

That unusual approach included an offer of fast delivery, with the first ship handed over in fall 2019 if the joint bid were accepted next year, the spokesman said.

Fincantieri and Naval Group have offered a fixed price of CAD$30 billion (U.S. $24 billion) for the 15 vessels in the Canadian Surface Combatant program, compared to CAN$62 billion estimated by the Canadian Parliamentary Budget Officer, National Post reported.

That direct offer to the government was the two European companies’ attempt to overcome a perceived preference by Irving for BAE Systems’ offer of the Type 26 frigate, business website La Tribune reported.

BAE has partnered with Lockheed Martin for an offer of the Type 26, which is being built for the British Navy.

The concerns over intellectual property protection stem from the competition rules requiring bidders to submit sensitive information on technology to Irving, which draws heavily on American and British advisers, La Tribune reported.

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Canada has declared its intention to acquire 15 surface combatant ships. Naval Group and Fincantieri proposed a joint offer based on the FREMM. (Naval Group)

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