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Air Force Brat

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I for one am happy that they didn't conform to the Hawaiian stereotypes. What he suggested is akin to every Texas sheriff wearing a cowboy hat and carrying a revolver...

Oh wait.

I'll guarantee you that those Texas Sheriff's with an N Frame Smith on the hip, will outshoot 10 average New York City boys with wondernines or 40's, and the revolver is chambered for some serious cartridges, 44 Special, 45 Colt, 357 Mag, 41 Mag, and 44 Mag,, manstoppers!

don't doubt me! Heh!, Heh!, Heh!
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
I for one am happy that they didn't conform to the Hawaiian stereotypes. What he suggested is akin to every Texas sheriff wearing a cowboy hat and carrying a revolver...

Oh wait.
Every Texan wearing a cowboy hat, boots and a revolver is a badge of honour. Just like a Hawaiian shirt is a sign of "wish you were here suckas"

Come to Alberta, or Texas north, and you will see everyone got a pair of cowboy boots and cowboy hat as well. We only bust them out in the summer, too cold to use in winter.
 
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Equation

Lieutenant General
I for one am happy that they didn't conform to the Hawaiian stereotypes. What he suggested is akin to every Texas sheriff wearing a cowboy hat and carrying a revolver...

Oh wait.
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Air Force Brat

Brigadier
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His dad is an engineer.. Very typical of immigrants from India here in Calgary. But Dave has always been kinda dumb.

song my old man used to sing to me when I was a little boy,,,,, "He's a Heck of a Wreck from Georgia Tech, the Son of an Engineer!"

I wish I had a tape of the stuff my Pappy used to sing to me, when he came in to get me out of bed in the morning, he'd sing "Someday I'm Gonna Murder the Buglar, some day their gonna find him dead, oh how I hate to get up in the morning! oh how I hate to get out of bed!
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
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I've only known a few black cattlemen, or cowboys, one I do know lives in Virginia, and he and his twin are real cowboys! He grew up on a cattle ranch, went into the military, did a stint as an under water welder,, (very, very, dangerous) and the koolest thing I love about Gary is he has the most awesome set of "SCARS, across his chest, where an Octopus attacked him!) for real.. they have little "hooks" in those suction cups, and Gary probably has 5 to 7 perfectly round scars, there is NO DOUBT he is telling the truth! (I never doubted him anyway).

He had lots of bucks, he was a Govt Contractor in Irag and Afghanistan, actually his wife was also an Army Vet and also a Govt Contractor... he has a "Top Secret" security clearance, and has done some welding on the Jimmy Carter! I believe that's HY-100 steel, very very difficult to get a clean weld!

He was the most humble, amiable guy I've ever met, I just loved that guy, loved his step-kids and was GOOD to them,,, he's in the Chicago Area now that his kids are out of school, but I really miss visiting with him at ball games...

"Blazing Saddles", that does bring back some good memories of great actors, talk about a riot! or maybe that was a "hanging jury"?? LOL
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
I've only known a few black cattlemen, or cowboys, one I do know lives in Virginia, and he and his twin are real cowboys! He grew up on a cattle ranch, went into the military, did a stint as an under water welder,, (very, very, dangerous) and the koolest thing I love about Gary is he has the most awesome set of "SCARS, across his chest, where an Octopus attacked him!) for real.. they have little "hooks" in those suction cups, and Gary probably has 5 to 7 perfectly round scars, there is NO DOUBT he is telling the truth! (I never doubted him anyway).

He had lots of bucks, he was a Govt Contractor in Irag and Afghanistan, actually his wife was also an Army Vet and also a Govt Contractor... he has a "Top Secret" security clearance, and has done some welding on the Jimmy Carter! I believe that's HY-100 steel, very very difficult to get a clean weld!

He was the most humble, amiable guy I've ever met, I just loved that guy, loved his step-kids and was GOOD to them,,, he's in the Chicago Area now that his kids are out of school, but I really miss visiting with him at ball games...

"Blazing Saddles", that does bring back some good memories of great actors, talk about a riot! or maybe that was a "hanging jury"?? LOL
Blazing Saddles were one of the few classic comedies that were made before the PC police took over Hollywood (to some extent it has good intention from the beginning but failed eventually).:D:p
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
AANNNNNYYYWAYYYYY... LOL
It's not entirely clear to me what happened, whether it crashed, was shot down, or was shot & severely damaged and crashed as a result (leaning towards this one).
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Israeli jet shot down after bombing Iranian site in Syria
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By Maayan Lubell and Lisa Barrington
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•February 10, 2018
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Israeli jet shot down after bombing Iranian site in Syria
By Maayan Lubell and Lisa Barrington

JERUSALEM/BEIRUT (Reuters) - Anti-aircraft fire downed an Israeli warplane returning from a bombing raid on Iran-backed positions in Syria on Saturday in the most serious confrontations yet between Israel and Iranian-backed forces based across the border.

The F-16, one of at least eight Israeli planes despatched in response to what Israel said was an Iranian drone's incursion into its airspace earlier in the day, was hit by a Syrian anti-aircraft missile and crashed in northern Israel, an Israeli official told Reuters.

Both pilots ejected and were injured, one critically.

Israel then launched a second and more intensive air raid, hitting what it said were 12 Iranian and Syrian targets in Syria, including Syrian air defense systems.

Lebanon's Iran-backed Hezbollah group said the downing of the plane marked the "start of a new strategic phase" which would limit Israel's ability to enter Syrian airspace.

Iran's involvement in Syria in support of President Bashar al-Assad in a nearly seven-year-old civil war - including the deployment of Iran-backed forces near the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights - has alarmed Israel, which has said it would counter any threat.

But both Israel and Syria signaled they were not seeking wider conflict, even as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rushed to military headquarters in Tel Aviv and the pro-Assad alliance pledged a strong response to any Israeli "terrorist action".

Russia, whose forces began intervening on behalf of Assad in 2015, expressed its concern and urged both sides to exercise restraint and avoid escalation.

A Western diplomat in the region said: "My impression is that it seems to be contained at this point. I don't think anybody wants to escalate further."

CHAIN OF EVENTS

Saturday's chain of events began at 4:30 a.m. (0230 GMT) when an Israeli Apache helicopter shot down an Iranian drone over the northern town of Beit Shean, the Israeli military said.

The drone had been sighted taking off from a base in Syria, and was intercepted after it crossed into Israeli territory, spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan Conricus said.

Israeli planes then struck an Iranian installation in Syria from which, the Israeli military said, the unmanned aircraft had been operated.

The Israeli military released grainy black and white footage of what it said was the drone’s control vehicle in Syria being destroyed.

The F-16 crashed on its return from the mission, coming down in an empty field near Harduf, east of Haifa.

"We heard a big explosion and then sirens. We didn't know what was happening, we heard helicopters and planes in the air,” said Yosi Sherer, 51, who was staying at a hostel near Haifa.

Flights at Tel Aviv's international airport were briefly halted.

The area was quiet by mid-afternoon.

Conricus said missile remnants were found near the crash site: "We don't know yet if it's an SA-5 or SA-17, but it's a Syrian anti-aircraft missile."

Israel then launched a second bombing raid in Syria.

The pro-Assad military alliance said Israel had attacked a drone base in central Syria but denied any of its drones had entered Israeli air space. Iran rejected the Israeli version of events as "ridiculous".

David Ivry, a former Israeli Air Force chief, told Reuters he believed it was the first time an Israeli F-16 was brought down since Israel began using the jets in the 1980s.

AIR SUPERIORITY

Israel has long maintained air superiority in the region, mounting air strikes in Syria on a regular basis, targeting suspected weapons shipments to Hezbollah.

Hezbollah said in a statement: "Today's developments mean the old equations have categorically ended."

Iranian and Iran-backed Shi'ite forces, including Hezbollah, have deployed widely in Syria in support of Assad. Iran's military chief warned Israel last October against breaching Syrian airspace and territory.

Netanyahu, visiting the Golan on Tuesday, peered across the border into Syria and in public remarks warned Israel's enemies not to test its resolve.

An official in the pro-Assad alliance said after the downing of the F-16 that a "message" had been delivered to Israel. But he added: "I do not believe matters will develop to a regional war."

The Israeli military said it did not seek escalation, calling its action a defensive response to an Iranian act of aggression.

"The tough part is how to continue to walk a tightrope, where neither side wants an all-out war, but no one wants to be the one who absorbed the blow and didn't respond appropriately," Uzi Rabi, director of the Moshe Dayan Center for Middle Eastern and African Studies at Tel Aviv University, told Israel's Channel 11 television.

The U.S. administration has backed Israel's hawkish stance on Iran, and declared containing Tehran's influence an objective of its Syria policy. On a visit to Israel last month, U.S. Vice President Mike Pence called Iran the world's "leading state sponsor of terror".

U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is expected to visit the region in the coming week to discuss Syria and other issues, and is scheduled to visit Jordan, Turkey, Lebanon and other countries.

Tensions have also spiked across the frontier between Israel and Lebanon over Israeli plans for border wall, and Lebanese plans to exploit an offshore energy block partly located in disputed waters.

Hezbollah and Israel last fought a major conflict in 2006.

In Gaza, the armed wing of the Islamist group Hamas declared full alert among its fighters because of the escalation of violence in northern Israel.

Israel captured the Golan Heights from Syria in the 1967 war and has occupied it ever since, annexing the territory in 1981 in a move not recognized internationally.

There has been an uneasy standoff since a ceasefire that followed a war in 1973, with United Nations observer forces manning a buffer zone between the two armies.

In November, Israel said it shot down a Syrian reconnaissance drone over the demilitarized zone, and on Feb. 8 shots were fired from Syrian territory at an Israeli drone, hitting a house in Majdal Shams, in Israeli-occupied Golan.

(Reporting by Maayan Lubell, Stephen Farrell and Dan Williams in Jerusalem, Lisa Barrington, Tom Perry and Laila Bassam in Beirut; Additional reporting by Parisa Hafezi in Ankara and Jack Stubbs in Moscow; Writing by Jeffrey Heller; Editing by Richard Balmforth and Robin Pomeroy)
 
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Air Force Brat

Brigadier
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Every Texan wearing a cowboy hat, boots and a revolver is a badge of honour. Just like a Hawaiian shirt is a sign of "wish you were here suckas"

Come to Alberta, or Texas north, and you will see everyone got a pair of cowboy boots and cowboy hat as well. We only bust them out in the summer, too cold to use in winter.

so we should just call you Tex?? prolly not too many six-guns in Alberta??
 

Air Force Brat

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AANNNNNYYYWAYYYYY... LOL
It's not entirely clear to me what happened, whether it crashed, was shot down, or was shot & severely damaged and crashed as a result (leaning towards this one).
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Israeli jet shot down after bombing Iranian site in Syria
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By Maayan Lubell and Lisa Barrington
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•February 10, 2018
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Israeli jet shot down after bombing Iranian site in Syria
By Maayan Lubell and Lisa Barrington

JERUSALEM/BEIRUT (Reuters) - Anti-aircraft fire downed an Israeli warplane returning from a bombing raid on Iran-backed positions in Syria on Saturday in the most serious confrontations yet between Israel and Iranian-backed forces based across the border.

The F-16, one of at least eight Israeli planes despatched in response to what Israel said was an Iranian drone's incursion into its airspace earlier in the day, was hit by a Syrian anti-aircraft missile and crashed in northern Israel, an Israeli official told Reuters.

Both pilots ejected and were injured, one critically.

Israel then launched a second and more intensive air raid, hitting what it said were 12 Iranian and Syrian targets in Syria, including Syrian air defense systems.

Lebanon's Iran-backed Hezbollah group said the downing of the plane marked the "start of a new strategic phase" which would limit Israel's ability to enter Syrian airspace.

Iran's involvement in Syria in support of President Bashar al-Assad in a nearly seven-year-old civil war - including the deployment of Iran-backed forces near the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights - has alarmed Israel, which has said it would counter any threat.

But both Israel and Syria signaled they were not seeking wider conflict, even as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rushed to military headquarters in Tel Aviv and the pro-Assad alliance pledged a strong response to any Israeli "terrorist action".

Russia, whose forces began intervening on behalf of Assad in 2015, expressed its concern and urged both sides to exercise restraint and avoid escalation.

A Western diplomat in the region said: "My impression is that it seems to be contained at this point. I don't think anybody wants to escalate further."

CHAIN OF EVENTS

Saturday's chain of events began at 4:30 a.m. (0230 GMT) when an Israeli Apache helicopter shot down an Iranian drone over the northern town of Beit Shean, the Israeli military said.

The drone had been sighted taking off from a base in Syria, and was intercepted after it crossed into Israeli territory, spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan Conricus said.

Israeli planes then struck an Iranian installation in Syria from which, the Israeli military said, the unmanned aircraft had been operated.

The Israeli military released grainy black and white footage of what it said was the drone’s control vehicle in Syria being destroyed.

The F-16 crashed on its return from the mission, coming down in an empty field near Harduf, east of Haifa.

"We heard a big explosion and then sirens. We didn't know what was happening, we heard helicopters and planes in the air,” said Yosi Sherer, 51, who was staying at a hostel near Haifa.

Flights at Tel Aviv's international airport were briefly halted.

The area was quiet by mid-afternoon.

Conricus said missile remnants were found near the crash site: "We don't know yet if it's an SA-5 or SA-17, but it's a Syrian anti-aircraft missile."

Israel then launched a second bombing raid in Syria.

The pro-Assad military alliance said Israel had attacked a drone base in central Syria but denied any of its drones had entered Israeli air space. Iran rejected the Israeli version of events as "ridiculous".

David Ivry, a former Israeli Air Force chief, told Reuters he believed it was the first time an Israeli F-16 was brought down since Israel began using the jets in the 1980s.

AIR SUPERIORITY

Israel has long maintained air superiority in the region, mounting air strikes in Syria on a regular basis, targeting suspected weapons shipments to Hezbollah.

Hezbollah said in a statement: "Today's developments mean the old equations have categorically ended."

Iranian and Iran-backed Shi'ite forces, including Hezbollah, have deployed widely in Syria in support of Assad. Iran's military chief warned Israel last October against breaching Syrian airspace and territory.

Netanyahu, visiting the Golan on Tuesday, peered across the border into Syria and in public remarks warned Israel's enemies not to test its resolve.

An official in the pro-Assad alliance said after the downing of the F-16 that a "message" had been delivered to Israel. But he added: "I do not believe matters will develop to a regional war."

The Israeli military said it did not seek escalation, calling its action a defensive response to an Iranian act of aggression.

"The tough part is how to continue to walk a tightrope, where neither side wants an all-out war, but no one wants to be the one who absorbed the blow and didn't respond appropriately," Uzi Rabi, director of the Moshe Dayan Center for Middle Eastern and African Studies at Tel Aviv University, told Israel's Channel 11 television.

The U.S. administration has backed Israel's hawkish stance on Iran, and declared containing Tehran's influence an objective of its Syria policy. On a visit to Israel last month, U.S. Vice President Mike Pence called Iran the world's "leading state sponsor of terror".

U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is expected to visit the region in the coming week to discuss Syria and other issues, and is scheduled to visit Jordan, Turkey, Lebanon and other countries.

Tensions have also spiked across the frontier between Israel and Lebanon over Israeli plans for border wall, and Lebanese plans to exploit an offshore energy block partly located in disputed waters.

Hezbollah and Israel last fought a major conflict in 2006.

In Gaza, the armed wing of the Islamist group Hamas declared full alert among its fighters because of the escalation of violence in northern Israel.

Israel captured the Golan Heights from Syria in the 1967 war and has occupied it ever since, annexing the territory in 1981 in a move not recognized internationally.

There has been an uneasy standoff since a ceasefire that followed a war in 1973, with United Nations observer forces manning a buffer zone between the two armies.

In November, Israel said it shot down a Syrian reconnaissance drone over the demilitarized zone, and on Feb. 8 shots were fired from Syrian territory at an Israeli drone, hitting a house in Majdal Shams, in Israeli-occupied Golan.

(Reporting by Maayan Lubell, Stephen Farrell and Dan Williams in Jerusalem, Lisa Barrington, Tom Perry and Laila Bassam in Beirut; Additional reporting by Parisa Hafezi in Ankara and Jack Stubbs in Moscow; Writing by Jeffrey Heller; Editing by Richard Balmforth and Robin Pomeroy)

Well Bub, its really not funny when people get hurt, and likely killed on either side,,, but this poor little F-16 is proof positive that folks who are relying on "antique aircraft" for their sole defense.. better get serious about 5 Gen, Israel is in a fight for survival against evil and the terror organizations that they face. No other nation feels the pressure as they do, even though lots of people like to "whine"??

anyway, 4 gens, 4+ gens, will not cut it in the hostile environment the Russians have propogated with all the ground based SAMs they continue to pedal, sometimes to both sides... F-16s, J-15s, or Su-35s are all sitting ducks, unless somebody's 5 gens take them out... even with Electronic Warfare pods jamming, the environment is very dangerous.

this incident is likely over, the Israeli's are very measured and methodical in their response, but there is always the danger when you get external actors like Russia and Iran playing both sides against the middle for their own interests..
 

timepass

Brigadier
Well Bub, its really not funny when people get hurt, and likely killed on either side,,, /QUOTE]

Absolutely true....


Israel is in a fight for survival against evil and the terror organizations that they face. No other nation feels the pressure as they do.

An innocent question, my friend .... Do you know, since the birth of Israel... how many Israelis lost their lives in the different conflicts with the comparison to Palestinians or neighboring countries???

Once you know then you will realize who feeling the pressure & fights against the evil....
 
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