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    In France or the UK it is much harder to use land based systems to ensure second strike capability. Because the land area they have is so small it is much harder to hide them effectively. With regards to only having 4 SSBNs, I think the question is how many launch tubes and missiles you need to ensure enough deterrence. Those countries seem to assume 4 submarines is enough. China or Russia might need more because the amount of possible targets is larger.
     
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    The number of submarines is less about launch tubes and missiles than about maintaining continuous deterrence at sea, with a level of redundancy appropriate to the threat. Three boats is the minimum to ensure that one is constantly at sea, with effectively no margin to accommodate the unexpected, e.g. a hull loss or extended repairs from running into an underwater mountain. Four is a much more comfortable number, and has the additional benefit of being able to surge an extra boat in times of heightened tensions.

    The much greater vulnerability of China's SSBNs (compared to those of France/UK) due both to the regional hydrography, and the high density of advanced threat assets and detection networks in the vicinity, are the main reason I think China needs 8-12 SSBNs.
     
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    Wikipedia's List of Active People's Liberation Army Navy Ships has the four Sovremmeny-class destroyers as displacing 7900t. Most other sources I can find show a full load displacement for the type of 8500 tons. Anyone able to clarify? Any reason why PLAN's ships would be different from the Soviet/Russian ones?
     
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    For Project 956 standard displacement is 6500 tons while 7900 tons fully loaded.
     
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    Anyone have videos of Type 1130 CIWS in action?
     
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    I've put into google search window
    youtube+Type+1130+CIWS+in+action
    and this was on top:


    you're welcome
     
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    Did that. Poor quality and the video is just 2 seconds of ciws. I'm looking for a longer clear and higher quality video.
    Thanks. sans the sass.
     
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    what's the cooling of a Type 1130 gun (not of its electronics)?

    (it's an antifreeze for an АК-630, and nothing (I mean air) for a Phalanx, and I don't know for a Goalkeeper off top of my head)
     
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    Why are sailor uniforms white? Why was it blue striped before?
     
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    I thought type 1130 was air cooled.
     
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