All is not what it seems within China's High Speed Rail development.

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    Some stretch of roads have more accidents than others. Bad highway designs can and do lead to accidents.

    By that standard, tracks with no trains running would have perfect safety record and being the best HSR system, which is very silly.

    The line on which the accident occurred is not a dedicated high speed rail, but an upgrade of regular tracks, and running an old HSR train. Obviously, those who do not distinguish the difference between the two (high speed and regular rail) do not concern themselves with facts in the first place. They only speak in sourness over the fact that China is now leading the world in HSR technologies.

    Just look at the above AP article:
    • How are rail accident and the Fukushima fiasco even comparable? Is the author trying to exaggerate a rail accident or down play a Chernobyl scale nuclear disaster?
    • Residents being unhappy with noise from the rail line? Nice try by the author but this doesn't say anything about the technologies that matter in HSR.
    • HSR losing confidence from officials? This is purely the opinion of the author, masqueraded as reporting by state media through clever writing. (Hint: everything after the phrase "a sign" is the author's opinion.)
     
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    If this accident involves those old trains, you will bet that it will somehow get linked to the confidence in China's HSR technologies.
     
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    Hehe, didn't thought that one sentence of my expression of what "symptom" of those China-friendly world media had, would resulted in some insight "diagnose" to the China-friendly crowds' inspiring spirits.

    In all, nothing changes. (My cunning way to put it)
     
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    That is true. I do not dispute that.

    And I will also state upfront that PRC's railway system is safer than her roads.

    However, that misses the point of rail safety in PRC. Details below.

    Really?

    Is China Daily a western media?

    Railway taking time to regain safety|Nation|chinadaily.com.cn

     
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    That is certainly true.

    And unfortunately, depending on the terrain, it may be unavoidable to have such stretches in certain areas (such as mountains), although this can be mitigated by imposing a lower speed limit.

    Comparing inter-state with railway is like comparing apples with oranges, which is what I stated upfront that they are different.

    Xinhuanet called the trains involved in the crash "high speed train":

    Death toll from China's train crash rises to 39, including two Americans

    As for the upgrade of regular tracks, the Ningbo–Taizhou–Wenzhou Railway (甬台温铁路) track started construction in 2005 and was completed in 2009. Commercial service began in Sep 2009. It is designed to have an operating speed of 250km/h:

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    As for the bit about old HSR train, I suppose you are referring to the design?
     
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    Rail accident happened all the time but when it come to China suddenly everybody and their mother start bitching about corruption, bad quality and the impending implosion of China, regime change. Instead of looking at it as just another industrial accident Here is is running at 100 mile/hr and still accident happen

    Amtrak train derails in Neb.; several injured
    Train apparently hit crane on the track, spokesman says
    Amtrak train hits farm vehicle, injures 9 - US news - Life - msnbc.com

    BENKELMAN, Neb. — A train carrying more than 175 passengers from California to Chicago derailed Friday after striking equipment on the tracks in southwest Nebraska and a small number of people were taken to hospitals, a spokesman said.

    Two locomotives tipped on their sides and three of the California Zephyr's 10 passenger cars left the tracks about 8 a.m. near Benkelman, near the state's borders with Kansas and Colorado, said Amtrak spokesman Marc Magliari.

    Magliari couldn't immediately confirm the exact number of injuries but said none was believed to be life-threatening.

    Passenger Harvey Evans, 37, of Grand Island, Nebraska, said it appeared that the train struck a crane that was doing demolition on a nearby grain silo.

    "All of a sudden I hear brakes. (The) train's rolling, rocking, moving side to side," said Evans, who grabbed a chair to steady himself. "All of a sudden we stopped."

    It's "been a long, rough trip," said Evans, in part because the train traveling to Chicago from Emeryville, California, across the bay from San Francisco, already was running about eight hours behind schedule after hitting an abandoned car on the tracks Wednesday night near Salt Lake City.

    "It's been one thing after another," Evans said.
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    Dundy County Hospital spokeswoman Sandy Noffsinger said seven patients were being treated there for non-life-threatening injuries.

    Amtrak said passengers who weren't taken to hospitals rode school buses to a high school gym in Benkelman, where Dundy County-Stratton Public Schools secretary Stacey Waters said volunteers were providing food and water.

    Amtrak was renting private buses so the passengers could resume their journeys east, Magliari said.

    It was unclear why the equipment was near or on the tracks and how fast the train was going through the relatively unpopulated stretch of southwest Nebraska, but the accident was being investigated.

    Messages seeking comment were left for Dundy County emergency management and law enforcement officials.

    © 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
     
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    You may want to consider finding a better article for comparison considering that this one has:
    *No mention people dying (ex. 40)
    *Number of injuries were few compared to this topic's (~9 known)
    *Not caused by lack of or failure of a collision prevention system (software or others) between two trains. (just drive your car to the tracks and see if any collision prevention saves your butt)
    *Apparently no one had to bury anything... (and dig it back up)

    complaints of corruption and quality is legitimate here IMO; not paying any attention to the "chinese gov's" impending doom, you may want to point out who said that for me - so I can roll my eyes too.
     
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    Futhermore its only the standard train line , not HSR. Having said that I have read that China has the worlds busiest standard rail network with the lowest incindent of accidents per mile travelled. Thats pretty good.
     
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    I don't think the chinese crash was of one of the new hsr networks either, so i'd reserve opinion on the actual chance of a similar accident happening on the new ones until we have real info on what caused the crash from the investigation.

    Regardless I agree with both posts above me.
     
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