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Re: V/STOL Air Craft Carrier

Try to concentrate the chinese related part of e-x-e's post or i have to move this to world armed forces forum

Re: V/STOL Air Craft Carrier

if japan started operating jsf of a lpd, the chiense would counter with a full carrier. japanese lpd designs have shown themselves to be capable of handling jsf's.

the fighter has a combat radius of 600 nautical miles, twice that of the f-18.

Re: V/STOL Air Craft Carrier

MIGleader said:

if japan started operating jsf of a lpd, the chiense would counter with a full carrier. japanese lpd designs have shown themselves to be capable of handling jsf's.

the fighter has a combat radius of 600 nautical miles, twice that of the f-18.

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600 nautical miles combat range for an F-18? Is that with a full load? Don't forget the USN ablity to refuel at will. They do it everyday.



Super Hornet range
Range: Combat: 1,275 nautical miles (2,346 kilometers), clean plus two AIM-9s
Ferry: 1,660 nautical miles (3,054 kilometers), two AIM-9s, three 480 gallon tanks retained

Hornet range
Range: Combat: 1,089 nautical miles (1252.4 miles/2,003 km), clean plus two AIM-9s
Ferry: 1,546 nautical miles (1777.9 miles/2,844 km), two AIM-9s plus three 330 gallon tanks.

As for the JMSDF V/STOL carrier. Will the JMSDF ships carry F-35's? Maybe. But that's way off in the future. I don't think the USN will have the JDF in service until 2008. I think the PRC would just continue on it's course of building a larger navy then eventually a blue water navy. We have yet to see any VSTOL aircraft from China. But you don't need a V/STOL to counter. J-10's will have to be the ones to do the job.

Re: V/STOL Air Craft Carrier

combat radius is different from range. range is how far a plane can fly. radius is the circle of operation the plane can operate from its home ship.

Re: V/STOL Air Craft Carrier

okay boy, first, let clearify something, it couldn't be a LPD because it's too small, i think it's more a LHD, LPH or a LHA. (A LPD cannot carry more than 6 chopper and it's 4 most of the time)

Second, if Japan came out with a amphib with JSF, I think that China will already having a carrier ready with some Su-33 or J-10, I think that will not be a great threat to the PLAN, (if they have a CV ready...) because i think that the amphib is not dedicated for aircraft combat and support, it's more ground support with aircraft to help...

Re: V/STOL Air Craft Carrier

Having a CV and a LHD/A face of on equal terms is not even an issue. The advantages of a smaller ship equipped with a few fighters is that it can project power and provide a decent air cover for attacking long-range aviation, something that is of great help still today although SAM's are highly developed.

Re: V/STOL Air Craft Carrier

rommel said:

okay boy, first, let clearify something, it couldn't be a LPD because it's too small, i think it's more a LHD, LPH or a LHA. (A LPD cannot carry more than 6 chopper and it's 4 most of the time)

Second, if Japan came out with a amphib with JSF, I think that China will already having a carrier ready with some Su-33 or J-10, I think that will not be a great threat to the PLAN, (if they have a CV ready...) because i think that the amphib is not dedicated for aircraft combat and support, it's more ground support with aircraft to help...

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the thing is, the japnese maritime self defense force obviously should not be operating such offense oriented warships, so they will give it a smaller-than-life-name. china is probably waiting for japan to build such a ship. then it can be free to build a carrier.

Re: V/STOL Air Craft Carrier

Gollevainen would you please move this to another forum? This one is completely off-topic!ff

Re: V/STOL Air Craft Carrier

If you mean the current ship, there won't be any JSFs onboard. And by the time Japan builds a big-enough ship, The rest of Asia will be pointing missiles at it.
Plus, remember the F-3 proposal from ezboard?(You weren't with us yet, were you?) I doubt Japan will buy the JSF if they can only afford the F-3.

As for the SSCVN, you don't have to launch the plane on top of the sub....
You can just release/capture the seaplane onto/from the water to operate it, then the plane can take-off and go whereever way it wants to. (Comm'on, if you launch a jet off a SSCVN, you can kiss the shield goodbye!)
But I'd invest in them. The I-400 was a success and they are much more people-efficient than carriers, even though they carry about 3 planes.

Re: V/STOL Air Craft Carrier

I think these days you don't really need to put a plane on a sub, when you have sub-launched stand off weapons like land-attack cruise missiles.

For other purposes, you could launch UAV's from a sub to do recon duties. The UAV's are smaller and prolly easier to operate from a submarine.