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bd popeye

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Apparently, the Cavour is built to mercantile standards... dangerous thing with all that volatile aviation fuel onboard. That's a instant hull loss in the event of a fire.

Pointblank. Could you please post a link about this mercantile standard on the IN Cavour. Or give us more information. I find it very intresting. Thank you.
 

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Pointblank. Could you please post a link about this mercantile standard on the IN Cavour. Or give us more information. I find it very intresting. Thank you.

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Fincantieri drew upon their experience building large civilian warships to build her. They never had built a warship this big before, so they fell back upon what they knew; building cruise ships and large cargo ships.

Also, if you look her up on Lloyd's Registry, she is civil-specced.
 

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Fincantieri drew upon their experience building large civilian warships to build her. They never had built a warship this big before, so they fell back upon what they knew; building cruise ships and large cargo ships.

Also, if you look her up on Lloyd's Registry, she is civil-specced.

thats slightly different to a pure civvy spec as it might be influences by it but it still can be a mil build. Also i wonder how T-45 and the CVF are registered as they follow the latest civvy spec despite it being a mil build.
 

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thats slightly different to a pure civvy spec as it might be influences by it but it still can be a mil build. Also i wonder how T-45 and the CVF are registered as they follow the latest civvy spec despite it being a mil build.

T-45 and CVF are registered, but they are registered under Lloyd's military spec classification. One of the drivers in Lloyds getting into classifying vessels for military use has probably been their Scandinavian competitors Det Norske Veritas (DNV) classifying paramilitary craft for Coast Guard work as well as the vessels of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary.
 

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French Aircraft onboad the USS Theodore Roosevelt CVN-71.

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ATLANTIC OCEAN (July 19, 2008) A French F-2 Rafale fighter lands aboard the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) during combined French and American carrier qualifications. This event marks the first integrated U.S. and French carrier qualifications aboard a U.S. aircraft carrier. The Theodore Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group is participating in Joint Task Force Exercise "Operation Brimstone" off the Atlantic coast until the end of July. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Matthew DeWitt/Released)

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ATLANTIC OCEAN (July 18, 2008) A French E-2C Hawkeye early warning aircraft, assigned to the 4th Squadron, lands during a historic joint French and American collaborated carrier qualification aboard the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71). The Theodore Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group is participating in Joint Task Force Exercise "Operation Brimstone" off the Atlantic coast until the end of July. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Jonathan Snyder/Released)

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ATLANTIC OCEAN (July 20, 2008) An Aviation Boatswain's Mate directs a French F-2 Rafale to a catapult during combined French and American carrier qualifications aboard the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71). (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Jonathan Snyder/Released)

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ATLANTIC OCEAN (July 20, 2008) Lt. Cmdr. Christopher Biggs shoots a French F-2 Rafale off the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) during combined French and American carrier qualifications. This event marks the first integrated U.S. and French carrier qualifications aboard a U.S. aircraft carrier. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Jonathan Snyder (Released)

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ATLANTIC OCEAN (July 19, 2008) An Aviation Boatswain's Mate directs a French E-2C Hawkeye during combined French and American carrier qualifications aboard the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71). This event marks the first integrated U.S. and French carrier qualifications aboard a U.S. aircraft carrier. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Christopher Hall/Released)

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ATLANTIC OCEAN (July 20, 2008) A French F-2 Rafale fighter launches off the flight deck of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) during combined French and American carrier qualifications. This event marks the first integrated U.S. and French carrier qualifications aboard a U.S. aircraft carrier. The Theodore Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group is participating in Joint Task Force Exercise "Operation Brimstone" off the Atlantic coast until the end of July. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class John M. Stratton/Released)

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A French F-2 Rafale fighter makes a final loop before landing aboard the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) during combined French and American carrier qualifications. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class John M. Stratton/Released)

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ATLANTIC OCEAN (July 19, 2008) A French F-2 Rafale fighter lands during combined French and American carrier qualifications aboard aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71). This event marks the first integrated U.S. and French carrier qualifications aboard a U.S. aircraft carrier. The Theodore Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group is participating in Joint Task Force Exercise "Operation Brimstone" off the Atlantic coast until the end of July. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Christopher Hall/Released)

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ATLANTIC OCEAN (July 21, 2008) A French Rafale M prepares to land aboard the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) during combined French and American carrier qualifications
 
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bd popeye

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I found out why the French F-2 are operating on board CVN-71.

As you know carrier pilots need to be qualified to land on a CV. CVN-71 was available. I'm sure this French "deployment" on CVN-71 has been in the works for some time.

The FN R91 Charles de Gaulle is in the shipyard in Tulon for re-fit.

The FN R91 Charles De Gaulle is being modernized in Toulon for about 20 months (changing the nuclear combustion elements amongst other things). Estimated to be back in operational capacity by spring 09.

Remember the FN R91 has been beset with problem since the first steel was cut.

Given the French inablity to properly repair this ship what are the chances that the R91 will emerge from the shipyard in the spring of '09?? And if this happens will the French Navy again "deploy" to the US for carrier quals?

Any of you CV officanados have any ideas???

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su-27

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Apparently, the Cavour is built to mercantile standards... dangerous thing with all that volatile aviation fuel onboard. That's a instant hull loss in the event of a fire.

No! Cavour is fully build on militar standards... seems that Marina Militare will use militar standards even for their next LHDs!!!!!!!

first fly trials on Cavour:
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The FN R91 Charles de Gaulle is in the shipyard in Tulon for re-fit.



Remember the FN R91 has been beset with problem since the first steel was cut.

Found a link on CdeG's Wikipedia entry to a cartoon from Le Parisien about the carrier's many problems.

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The sign says "Slow down, work in progress" :D

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and it's clear that going nuclear for CdeG was a huge mistake. France simply doesn't have the budget the develop a nuclear propulsion system suitable for a carrier so they have had to improvise and try offbeat solutions like the radical propellers, which didn't perform at all. With the money they spent on CdeG they may have been able to build 2 conventionally powered carriers. They're not going to get another carrier until at least the end of the next decade so they're going to have to make the best of a bad situation. :(
 

bd popeye

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Hindsight is a wonderful thing and it's clear that going nuclear for CdeG was a huge mistake. France simply doesn't have the budget the develop a nuclear propulsion system suitable for a carrier so they have had to improvise and try offbeat solutions like the radical propellers, which didn't perform at all. With the money they spent on CdeG they may have been able to build 2 conventionally powered carriers. They're not going to get another carrier until at least the end of the next decade so they're going to have to make the best of a bad situation.

From what I understand the French have spent $5 Billion USD total on the ship. As you stated they could have had two conventional CVs for that price.

I know that in the past that workers from Newport News have repaired the ships catapults and arresting gear. In addition I think the new propellers for the ship were designed and built by Northrup-Grumman at Newport News.
 
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