Aircraft Carriers II (Closed to posting)

Discussion in 'World Armed Forces' started by Jeff Head, Oct 17, 2005.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. bd popeye
    Offline

    bd popeye The Last Jedi
    VIP Professional

    Top Poster Of Month

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2005
    Messages:
    30,382
    Likes Received:
    24,841
    Norfolk. San Diego has several shipyards. Including the largest on on the west coast and the only one capable of building warship. NASSCO... http://www.nassco.com/

    However most of the work will be done by the Puget Sound Naval shipyard detatchment permentaly fixed at NASNI . Their job? To do most repairs on CVNs.

    Read the article..as soon as I read JAG investigation that means something is not right on CVN-73. Something is very, very wrong.:(
     
    #591 bd popeye, Jun 20, 2008
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2008
  2. bd popeye
    Offline

    bd popeye The Last Jedi
    VIP Professional

    Top Poster Of Month

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2005
    Messages:
    30,382
    Likes Received:
    24,841
    Here's another article on the JAG investigation on board CVN-73. Just in case ya' did.nt know . The investigation was ordered by the CNO.

    CNO orders investigation of GW fire

    By Gidget Fuentes - Staff writer
    Posted : Friday Jun 20, 2008 16:06:28 EDT

    SAN DIEGO — With an assessment "nearly completed," of the damage done
    to the aircraft carrier George Washington by its May 22 fire, Chief
    of Naval Operations Adm. Gary Roughead has ordered an investigation
    into what caused the blaze, Navy officials announced Thursday.

    The Judge Advocate General's Manual investigation will be headed by
    the U.S. Pacific Fleet in Hawaii, fleet officials said in a
    statement. The Naval Safety Center in Norfolk, Va., is convening a
    safety board and is conducting a separate safety investigation.

    "The Navy is accumulating lessons learned on this incident to be
    shared with the fleet," said the Pacific Fleet statement.

    Meanwhile, the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier has settled into a
    berth at Naval Air Station North Island, Calif., where it arrived May
    27 for what has become a lengthy stay as repair crews and
    investigators continue their work. The George Washington was
    originally to conduct a turnover in June in Pearl Harbor with the
    retiring, conventionally powered carrier Kitty Hawk, but the exchange
    is now scheduled for San Diego in August.

    The delay for the George Washington's arrival as the new forward-
    deployed carrier in Japan doesn't appear to have further delayed the
    Kitty Hawk's planned decommissioning in Bremerton, Wash., which
    officials said would be done "on schedule."

    Navy Secretary Donald Winter on Thursday toured the George Washington
    and got briefs on the damage assessment, repairs and firefighting
    efforts by the ship's crew. Sailors took four hours to put out the
    fire, which had spread to multiple decks and spaces through
    ventilation and cable trunks.

    "I am impressed with the manner in which they fought this fire,"
    Winter said in a statement. "They worked as a well-trained team to
    contain the fire and to ensure the safety of all aboard, exemplifying
    the fighting spirit of American sailors."

    Winter also got a closer look at some of the damaged spaces and has
    asked for more details and information on several areas,
    including "how the ship's damage control team fought the fire, and
    the extent to which ship modifications may have played a role with
    how the fire spread," he said. "What we learn here can help us
    improve our damage control training, assess our damage control
    procedures and equipment, inform future ship alterations and prevent
    future accidents of this type.

    "Experience has shown that we must complete the removal of material
    in the damaged areas before we can make a full assessment of the
    necessary repairs and corrective actions," he added.

    The Navy has not yet announced what specifically must be repaired or
    how much it will cost to do the work, which is being done by
    commercial and Navy shipyards.

    "I am pleased with the methodological approach the team has taken in
    developing a plan to repair the ship. They are making very good
    progress," Winter said in the statement.

    Last August, the George Washington finished an 11-month, $300 million
    yard period at the Northrop Grumman Newport News shipyard in
    Virginia. The work included upgrades and modifications as well as
    repairs and maintenance to prepare the ship for its homeport shift
    from Virginia to Japan.
     
  3. Finn McCool
    Offline

    Finn McCool Captain
    Registered Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2006
    Messages:
    2,025
    Likes Received:
    4
    Popeye when you say that you think something is very wrong on CVN-73 what do you mean? That the damage is very severe? I would agree, because the article said that the fire spread through several decks, which would indicate widespread damage to me.
     
  4. bd popeye
    Offline

    bd popeye The Last Jedi
    VIP Professional

    Top Poster Of Month

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2005
    Messages:
    30,382
    Likes Received:
    24,841
    First off I do not think the nuke power plant was at all effected. But theere appears to be some major leauge damage to much of the electriacl system in the part of the ship daqmaged by fire.

    There may be a leadership problem on that ship. This is a fact..The first weekend the ship was in port 3 "GW" sailors were arrested for DUI(Drunk driving) and a CPO was arrested at the McDonalds on base for assault & battery and being drunk and disordely. He physically attacked one of the counter persons at McDonalds.

    A JAG inspection is only conducted in severe circumstances. The USN ,in my opinion, is looking for someone to place the blame for the fire on.
     
  5. F40Racer
    Offline

    F40Racer New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2006
    Messages:
    54
    Likes Received:
    0
    Question regarding Russian carrier's size

    The displacements of most carriers are pretty consistent in most reports. Nimitz is arround 100,000 tons, Enterprise around 90,000 tons, Forrestal around 80,000 tons, Charles de Gaulle around 40,000 tons, and Invincible around 20,000 tons. Admiral Kuznetsov, on the other hand, have reported displacment ranging from 57,000 tons to 67,500 tons. To me, 57,000 tons seems to be a little small for a ship that is over 300 meters long. The only othe carrier I can think of that is comparable in size is Midway-class, which is around 60,000 tons in displacement and is 295 meters in length. I think 65,000 tons is about right for Kuznetsov. What do you guys think?
     
  6. Pointblank
    Offline

    Pointblank Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2006
    Messages:
    1,775
    Likes Received:
    2
    Re: Question regarding Russian carrier's size

    It also depends if you are referring to metric tons, short tons, or long tons.

    Also, watch for differences between full load displacement, and standard displacement. One refers to a fully loaded and provisioned ship, the other refers to a virtually empty ship.
     
  7. F40Racer
    Offline

    F40Racer New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2006
    Messages:
    54
    Likes Received:
    0
    Re: Question regarding Russian carrier's size

    I usually look for the full displacement. If I remembered correctly, Jane's warship recognition guide shows that Kuznetsov's standard displacement is around 46,000 tons and full displacement 58,500 tons. That seems a bit too small considering the same book states a Nimitz-class has 102,000 tons full displacement.
     
    #597 F40Racer, Jul 3, 2008
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2008
  8. Jeff Head
    Offline

    Jeff Head General
    Staff Member Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2005
    Messages:
    24,135
    Likes Received:
    32,432
    Re: Question regarding Russian carrier's size

    Here are a number of sites you can usually rely on as regards Kuznetsov:

    Global Security
    Lists Kuznetsov as 66,600-67,500 tons full load

    Haze Gray and Underway
    Lists Kuznetsoz as 67,000 tons full load

    State of the Russian Navy
    Lists Kuznetsov at 67,000 tons full load

    World Wide Aircraft Carriers
    Lists Kuznetsov as 65,000 tons full load

    Russian Aeronautics
    Lists Kuznetsov at 67,5000 tons full load.

    Wlpolczesne
    Lists Kuznetsov as 65,000 tons full load

    Federation of American Scientists (FAS)
    Lists Kuzenmtsov at 66,600-67,500 tons full load

    Russian Abroad
    Lists Kuznetsov at 67,500 tons full load

    China Defense Today
    Lists Varayag as 67,500 tons

    Wikpedia
    Lists Kuznetsov as 67,000 tons

    All of these are close, from 65,000 tons to 67,500 tons full load.

    I find only two well known sites, Janes and Naval-Technology that list her as just under 60,000 tons full load.

    Personally, I go with the 65,000 ton designation and figure that is probably very close, though a preponderance of evidence indicates that the 67,000 ton value may be closer.
     
  9. Gollevainen
    Offline

    Gollevainen Colonel
    VIP Professional Registered Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2005
    Messages:
    4,553
    Likes Received:
    23
    Re: Question regarding Russian carrier's size

    I must add that those all are western sources which Jeff presented, good ones tough.

    ...But still western ones. Usually when speaking of russian/soviet vessels, russian sites and sources are better. However in this case there are quite large disperension over the displacement size of Kuznetsov in russian sites as well. However the most realible ones gives around 71 000 tons full load and 51 000 tons standart.
     
  10. Jeff Head
    Offline

    Jeff Head General
    Staff Member Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2005
    Messages:
    24,135
    Likes Received:
    32,432
    Re: Question regarding Russian carrier's size

    Actually, three of the sites I listed, Russian Aeronautics (created buy a native born Russian who now resides in PA), Russian Abroad (located in New York City, but made by and for Russian immigrants), and Wipolczesne (a polish site), are not what I would call western sources.

    Certainly Global Security, FAS, my own site, and others would be considered western.

    But that's just how I see it. Others may well differ in their view.
     
Loading...
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page