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aahyan

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Can the media in the US, Europe, and Israel salvage Israel's reputation in light of today's strike?

Following attempt is the part of above ...

Satellite image of the Iranian Isfahan base after the Israeli attack

Last night, CNN published a satellite image of the Iranian Air Force base in Isfahan, which was the target of the Israeli attack at dawn on Friday.

The picture shows the damage to the radar of the Russian-made S-300 air defense battery stationed at the base. Other than an accurate hit on the air defense radar, no additional damage was caused to the base.

The S-300 battery stationed in Isfahan is part of the air defense system that protects the nuclear facility in Natanz, which is tens of kilometers away from Isfahan.

According to American sources, “the Israelis hit what they intended to hit.”


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So just one S-300 radar was hit and nothing else. Iran needs to have a real airforce, ground based missile defence is not a substitute.
 

_killuminati_

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I guess it's more covet to drive across Iraq and then release the drones.

Maybe Iran learn a new way to release mass drone strikes in the future.
It's easier for Israel to do this and more difficult for Iran because the western side of Iraq (close to Israel) is barren desert where you can be picked off easily, while the eastern part of Iraq (close to Iran) is heavily populated. Also, US is present in Iraq with complete air dominance, flying sorties daily.
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obj 705A

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In light of Israeli threats...what does Iran's threat to review its nuclear doctrine mean?

In light of the mutual responses between Iran and Israel, and the increasing fears that the tension between them could turn into a nuclear catastrophe in light of the sabotage operations that targeted nuclear facilities in Iran during the past years, Tehran threatened “the possibility of reviewing its nuclear doctrine.”

The Commander of Iran’s Nuclear Facilities Protection Authority, Brigadier General Ahmed Haqq Talab, said last Thursday, “If the Zionist entity wants to threaten to attack Iranian nuclear centers, it is likely we will review Iran’s nuclear doctrine and policies and abandon previously announced considerations,” adding, “Our hands are on the trigger and we have identified Israeli nuclear facilities as the target.”

For his part, Dr. Mohsen Jalilund at the University of Tehran, who is known for following Tehran's nuclear program, believes that the nuclear agreement has become a thing of the past and only a dead body remains of it, and that threats to abandon the nuclear conventions and treaties suggest a perception of an existential threat that justifies the targeted countries to take deterrent decisions.

Nuclear threshold

Pointing out that his country has confirmed more than once that it has reached the nuclear threshold, while noting that it does not intend to manufacture an atomic bomb based on the fatwa of the religious authority, Jalilund believes that the Islamic Republic is actually capable of implementing this threat within a few hours or days.

According to the information available to him, Tehran did not target any of the Israeli nuclear facilities in its direct attack on Israel, but it deliberately targeted an air base close to the Dimona reactor, to demonstrate its ability to target the latter if Tel Aviv ventured to target the Iranian nuclear facilities.

Jalilund concluded that the threat to reconsider Tehran's nuclear doctrine came from a military leader, not a political official, and that the official authorities deliberately did not comment on it to leave room for different interpretations.

The head of the Strategic Council for Foreign Policy in Iran, Kamal Kharazi, confirmed in 2022 - in an interview with Al Jazeera - that his country has the technical capabilities to manufacture a nuclear bomb, adding that there is no decision yet in Tehran to manufacture the bomb.

On the other hand, a group of Iranian observers believe that the declared position on changing the nuclear doctrine is thoughtful and coordinated, and those who support this trend reinforce their analysis with the media coverage that Brigadier General Haq Talab’s statements received and the official authorities not rejecting what he said.

Strategic researcher Ali Reza Taqavinia points out that for the first time his country is threatening to change its nuclear doctrine through the words of a senior official in the Revolutionary Guards, and Israel - before anyone else - must take these statements seriously.

When referring to Israeli threats to strike Iranian nuclear facilities, Taqavi Nia recalls the proverb, “He whose house is made of glass should not throw stones at people,” stressing his country’s ability to become the tenth nuclear power in the world if it changes its nuclear policy by order of the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah. Ali Khamenei.

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Iran does not have nukes however It would probably take Iran weeks or months to build nuclear weapons like what col Macgregor said in his interview on youtube. not "hours or days" like what that Dr. from the Tehran university said.
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Israel is ruled by lunatics who would undoubtibly use nukes. Iran must build a nuclear arsenal secretly ofcourse and reveal it once the arsenal is ready.

Some pro-Iran people say Iran already has nukes, personaly I believe that is just wishful thinking. Deterence only works when everybody knows you have nukes. Take Israel for example, even though Israel has not declared it has nukes yet every one knows they are a nuclear power.
 

_killuminati_

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In light of Israeli threats...what does Iran's threat to review its nuclear doctrine mean?

In light of the mutual responses between Iran and Israel, and the increasing fears that the tension between them could turn into a nuclear catastrophe in light of the sabotage operations that targeted nuclear facilities in Iran during the past years, Tehran threatened “the possibility of reviewing its nuclear doctrine.”

The Commander of Iran’s Nuclear Facilities Protection Authority, Brigadier General Ahmed Haqq Talab, said last Thursday, “If the Zionist entity wants to threaten to attack Iranian nuclear centers, it is likely we will review Iran’s nuclear doctrine and policies and abandon previously announced considerations,” adding, “Our hands are on the trigger and we have identified Israeli nuclear facilities as the target.”

For his part, Dr. Mohsen Jalilund at the University of Tehran, who is known for following Tehran's nuclear program, believes that the nuclear agreement has become a thing of the past and only a dead body remains of it, and that threats to abandon the nuclear conventions and treaties suggest a perception of an existential threat that justifies the targeted countries to take deterrent decisions.

Nuclear threshold

Pointing out that his country has confirmed more than once that it has reached the nuclear threshold, while noting that it does not intend to manufacture an atomic bomb based on the fatwa of the religious authority, Jalilund believes that the Islamic Republic is actually capable of implementing this threat within a few hours or days.

According to the information available to him, Tehran did not target any of the Israeli nuclear facilities in its direct attack on Israel, but it deliberately targeted an air base close to the Dimona reactor, to demonstrate its ability to target the latter if Tel Aviv ventured to target the Iranian nuclear facilities.

Jalilund concluded that the threat to reconsider Tehran's nuclear doctrine came from a military leader, not a political official, and that the official authorities deliberately did not comment on it to leave room for different interpretations.

The head of the Strategic Council for Foreign Policy in Iran, Kamal Kharazi, confirmed in 2022 - in an interview with Al Jazeera - that his country has the technical capabilities to manufacture a nuclear bomb, adding that there is no decision yet in Tehran to manufacture the bomb.

On the other hand, a group of Iranian observers believe that the declared position on changing the nuclear doctrine is thoughtful and coordinated, and those who support this trend reinforce their analysis with the media coverage that Brigadier General Haq Talab’s statements received and the official authorities not rejecting what he said.

Strategic researcher Ali Reza Taqavinia points out that for the first time his country is threatening to change its nuclear doctrine through the words of a senior official in the Revolutionary Guards, and Israel - before anyone else - must take these statements seriously.

When referring to Israeli threats to strike Iranian nuclear facilities, Taqavi Nia recalls the proverb, “He whose house is made of glass should not throw stones at people,” stressing his country’s ability to become the tenth nuclear power in the world if it changes its nuclear policy by order of the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah. Ali Khamenei.

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Iran does not have nukes however It would probably take Iran weeks or months to build nuclear weapons like what col Macgregor said in his interview on youtube. not "hours or days" like what that Dr. from the Tehran university said.
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Israel is ruled by lunatics who would undoubtibly use nukes. Iran must build a nuclear arsenal secretly ofcourse and reveal it once the arsenal is ready.

Some pro-Iran people say Iran already has nukes, personaly I believe that is just wishful thinking. Deterence only works when everybody knows you have nukes. Take Israel for example, even though Israel has not declared it has nukes yet every one knows they are a nuclear power.
Iran did start building deep underground nuclear facilities some time ago. Therefore, since then we cannot speculate anymore what Iran does or doesn't have and will or will not have soon/later.
 

obj 705A

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Iran did start building deep underground nuclear facilities some time ago. Therefore, since then we cannot speculate anymore what Iran does or doesn't have and will or will not have soon/later.
They don't have nukes, we can confidently say that since Iran has yet to declare it has nukes.
As I said deterance is only usefull when all your enemies know about it. That is how they are detered from nuking you.
 

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Scoop: U.S. expected to sanction IDF unit for human rights violations in West Bank​

Too little too late and most likely a publicity stunt that does very little. If we are talking about actual repercussions for all the things that the IDF has done to the Palestinians woman, children and babies among others (I mean what kinda sick freak derive pleasure from going after those sort of people) , these people would all be lined up and shot under court rulings in The Hague. So expect this to be nothing more the window dressing.
 

Minm

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Satellite image of the Iranian Isfahan base after the Israeli attack

Last night, CNN published a satellite image of the Iranian Air Force base in Isfahan, which was the target of the Israeli attack at dawn on Friday.

The picture shows the damage to the radar of the Russian-made S-300 air defense battery stationed at the base. Other than an accurate hit on the air defense radar, no additional damage was caused to the base.

The S-300 battery stationed in Isfahan is part of the air defense system that protects the nuclear facility in Natanz, which is tens of kilometers away from Isfahan.

According to American sources, “the Israelis hit what they intended to hit.”


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So just one S-300 radar was hit and nothing else. Iran needs to have a real airforce, ground based missile defence is not a substitute.
I can only see that they moved some vehicles, which makes sense if they knew an attack was coming. Where is the crater? What exactly is supposed to be damaged? Sorry if this is a silly question but I really fail to see anything that got damaged in this picture
 
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