Zheng He (1371-1433), the Chinese Muslim Admiral

FreeAsia2000

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Did Columbus discover America ?...:)

I think we all need to calm down. At the end of the day it dosn't
matter. HUMANITY discovered America.

Unless we want to go on a racial supremacy bash.
 

BLUEJACKET

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I was watching an interesting documentary on TV the other day highlighting Zheng He's voyages. A British historian and China specialist says that Zheng He could have travelled to the America's even before Christopher Colombus. This was also reported in the local news.

If true it changes American history but I think they will be very reluctant to give the Chinese Muslim the honour.
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Dr. Xu has been able to read Chinese words on some artifacts located in the National Museum of Mexico. The words mention people and events related to the Shang dynasty, which ended about 1,200 B.C., whereupon thousands of refugees possibly fled to what is now Central America. Dr. Xu believes these people founded the Olmec civilization.
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When China Ruled the Seas: The Treasure Fleet of the Dragon Throne, 1405-1433
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BUDDHIST MISSION VISITS AMERICA BEFORE COLUMBUS
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Ultimate Journey: Retracing the Path of an Ancient Buddhist Monk Who Crossed Asia in Search of Enlightenment. - Review - book review
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BLUEJACKET instead of posting all these links that few read how about posting your thoughts on the subject in this thread. Thank you. bd popeye moderator
 

SampanViking

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ITs also an irrelevant arguement. Vinland was a Viking discovery back in 1000 AD, courtesy of Leif Eiriksen. I have reminded all American members before that they are still colonial possesions of Iceland and that the rent is long, long overdue:nono:
 

BLUEJACKET

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ITs also an irrelevant arguement. Vinland was a Viking discovery back in 1000 AD, courtesy of Leif Eiriksen. I have reminded all American members before that they are still colonial possesions of Iceland and that the rent is long, long overdue:nono:
Iceland itself was a colony of Denmark, and Greenland still is. The natives wiped many of them out and the rest still alive left for good. Rhetorical question: how well did those Viking descendeants lived under the Danes?
 

GermanChinese

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Did Columbus discover America ?...:)

I think we all need to calm down. At the end of the day it dosn't
matter. HUMANITY discovered America.

Unless we want to go on a racial supremacy bash.

To be correct he never set foot on the american shore ^^, just st foot on some carbbean island and i may remeber my collegues that i lot evidence suggest that the first europeans that have visited america are actually vikings .

So if any asian or micronesian tribes actually have visted america beforehand i can't deny it or claim it. but may be possible
 

Gollevainen

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how well did those Viking descendeants lived under the Danes?

...?? You know that all the Danes, Norweigians and Sweeds (mean all the real scandinaviks) are decendeants of the Vikings, not just those Icelanders...

Anyway Vikings, as interesting they often are, hardly is related to the topic so off you go, there nothing more here to see:eek:ff :eek:ff
 

FreeAsia2000

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To be correct he never set foot on the american shore ^^, just st foot on some carbbean island and i may remeber my collegues that i lot evidence suggest that the first europeans that have visited america are actually vikings .

So if any asian or micronesian tribes actually have visted america beforehand i can't deny it or claim it. but may be possible

Sampan :rofl:

Also didn't the Russians pay the Vikings to protect them from other
armies...? If backpay has accrued and we add interest would that
cover the total assets of Gazprom...:D Could be those Vikings own
a large portion of the world's energy supply...:D

GermanChinese it's not a question of IF any asian tribes visited the
america's...they did...unless your're saying humanity began in the america's

My point is that the whole thing about who 'discovered' the america's
is irrelevant. I doubt if the ancestors of the Native Americans planted
a flag and said we claim this on behalf of the Asians :D

Humanity pushed forward the frontier...one day maybe WE will do it
again into other solar systems and then maybe galaxies...I couldn't
care less whether the person who get's there first has blond hair or
black. Let's do it for all mankind

If Zheng He reached the America's that's fantastic but lets not turn
it into a narrow my tribe/race is better than yours issue :)

Sorry now I have to go off and meet a cute girl :D
 

BLUEJACKET

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Sampan :rofl:

Also didn't the Russians pay the Vikings to protect them from other
armies...?
No, back then there were no Russians, just Slavic tribes fighting each other (like later Scandinavians). They invited the Varyag chieftains who by some accounts were half Slavs to rule over them so they won't kill off each other,
and before that the Vikings/Varyags were taking Slavs as captives to help them conduct their riverborne trade with Bysantium- check the old National Geograhic magazine.
Before the Vikings, there were the Irish (the Vikings themselves addmitted that), Welsh, Celts, Iberians, Romans- if we are talking of just the Europeans; Phoenicians, Lybians, Egyptians, Hebrews, Africans, Arabs, Malayans, Khmers, Indians, Polynesians, Japanese and of course Chinese- besides those who came much earlier following the coastlines from the Far East to Alaska & further South.
I think that they were many different peoples over many millenia (in prehistoric and historic times) who found their way to both coasts of North & South America- the evidence is clear in many areas of Antropology.
 

Gollevainen

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Well if the topic is stalling on vikings (thougth I strongly suggest to wind it up), you cannot quote old Nestor by saying Slavs "invited" Varyags to rule them. It was a pure expendiotary adventure by the varyags own decission and that famous quote mentioned in the Nestor's chronicle is sort of that age's version of Bush administrations claim that they are there to 'liberate' Iraq.

But thats it. Anyone else venturing to the viking topic will face the consequences....:eek:ff
 

Gaginang

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what was zheng he's expedition different from other traveller (not explorer since he already known what's out there) was dat he didn't travel cheap into the unknown. he brought with him treasure of china to trade with the world. he didn't cheat or stole from the natives.

it's rather sad to compare him to european explorer. zheng he can only class above european or nothing at all. he is credited for bringing muslim to indonesia from china. muslim was not brought to indonesia by the arab.

there are temples built dedicated to zheng he, even though he is a islam believer local chinese revere him as God of the Sea. i think dat's is a fair statement. since he cleared out the pirates infected water of indonesia in his time, to make way for sea routes to trade between india and china.

his achievement for humanity is still yet fully known, i hope they can find more evidences to proof him alleged achievement.
 
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