Zarqawi dead

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DPRKPTboat

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Its official - they got him. He was killed in an air strike recently. This should be a huge blow to Al-Qaeda command in that country. Or will it? Bin laden may be able to protray him as a martyr, not that he died fighting bravely (he was probably running away terrified of the bombs, and remember he couldn't even fire his own gun) and someone could replace him. Comments please, and heres the article.

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Gollevainen

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Well I've always doupt that the Iraqi "rebels" are somehow led by a single person or organisation like the Al-quada...The whole Zarqawi guy have seemed like an effort of USA to get some face and name to the enemy...

So I seriosly doupt that the fightings would pass down. Chetchens had faced similar situation twice as their first leader, Djohar Dudajev was killed by the russians in 1996 and seccond leader Aslan Mashadov was killed in 2005...and did it hold the Chetchen guns?
 

FreeAsia2000

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Yes this is the same bloke who's lost a leg, grows it back again. is killed,
comes back to life and is now killed again.

Very convenient sort of bloke. :D

This is just a ruse so certain countries can claim they have won
and withdraw..it's known as

Shed Your Skin Like the Golden Cicada

When you are in danger of being defeated, and your only chance is to escape and regroup, then create an illusion. While the enemy's attention is focused on this artifice, secretly remove your men leaving behind only the facade of your presence.

the strategy of dividing iraq into 3 areas put forward by the Israeli's in 1982
seems to have failed because the shi'ites are not taking the bait thus Zarqawi's usefulness is over

Behind The Scenes
Of The Iraq War
Behind The Scenes Of The Iraq War
Pravda.ru
4-17-3

The plan for the Iraq war, which has erupted in the face of opposition from the entire world, was drawn up at least decades ago, by Israeli strategists

In its attempt to realize its strategy of destabilizing or dividing the Middle Eastern Arab states, Israel has Egypt, Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia on its list of subsequent targets.

As these lines are being written, the United States of America has begun striking at Iraq. Despite the fact that most countries of the world, and even the majority of the USA's allies, opposed it, the US administration was determined for the strike to go ahead. When we look behind the scenes of this insistence, it seems that Israel and its powerful lobby in the US, have the greatest share in the make-up.

In fact, Israel's policy aimed at the fragmentation of Iraq has lengthy historical roots-

The Age-Old Israeli Plan to Divide Iraq

An ambitious report entitled "A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s," which appeared in the World Zionist Organization's periodical Kivunim in February 1982 disclosed a strategy aimed at making the whole of the Middle East a kind of "living space" for Israel. The report, drawn up by Oded Yinon, an Israeli journalist and formerly attached to the Foreign Ministry of Israel, set out the scenario of the "division of Iraq" in these terms:

Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria- Iraq is, once again, no different in essence from its neighbors, although its majority is Shi'ite and the ruling minority Sunni. Sixty-five percent of the population has no say in politics, in which an elite of 20 percent holds the power. In addition there is a large Kurdish minority in the north, and if it weren't for the strength of the ruling regime, the army and the oil revenues, Iraq's future state would be no different than that of Lebanon in the past- In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul, and Shi'ite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north. 1)

This was not the only announcement of the Israeli plan to atomize Middle East, including Iraq. As Israel Shahak, the notable Israeli scholar known for his dedication to a peaceful solution in the Middle East, explained that Yinon was just echoing the views of Israeli hawks:

The idea that all the Arab states should be broken down, by Israel, into small units, occurs again and again in Israeli strategic thinking. For example, Ze'ev Schiff, the military correspondent of Ha'aretz (and probably the most knowledgeable in Israel, on this topic) writes about the "best" that can happen for Israeli interests in Iraq: "The dissolution of Iraq into a Shi'ite state, a Sunni state and the separation of the Kurdish part" (Ha'aretz 6/2/1982). Actually, this aspect of the plan is very old. 2)

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isthvan

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I agree whit Golly. Terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda don’t really on single individuals and loss of man like Abu Musab al Zarqawi doesn’t mean a thing in grand scheme of things.

Like Golly said US tried to find some names because that’s good for propaganda purposes and Al Qaeda used al Zarqawi for same reasons. For both sides that’s win-win situation from propaganda point of view (when alive he was used by Al Qaeda as example of gods warrior fighting against infidels, now if he is really dead he will become martyr; and US will say that they made another mayor blow to Al Qaeda operations by killing Al Qaedas head figure in Iraq).

And joust like in Chechnya show will simple go on...
 

DPRKUnderground

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isthvan said:
I agree whit Golly. Terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda don’t really on single individuals and loss of man like Abu Musab al Zarqawi doesn’t mean a thing in grand scheme of things.

Like Golly said US tried to find some names because that’s good for propaganda purposes and Al Qaeda used al Zarqawi for same reasons. For both sides that’s win-win situation from propaganda point of view (when alive he was used by Al Qaeda as example of gods warrior fighting against infidels, now if he is really dead he will become martyr; and US will say that they made another mayor blow to Al Qaeda operations by killing Al Qaedas head figure in Iraq).

And joust like in Chechnya show will simple go on...

But after the troops went into the house after it was bombed, they found some interesting documents and conducted 17 more raids and got plenty of more guys. Now supposedly this Egyptian guy is going to take the place of Zarqawi. He told Zarqawi to stop killing so many civilains and just attack the armed forces. He's obviously the lesser evil.
 

FreeAsia2000

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DPRKUnderground said:
But after the troops went into the house after it was bombed, they found some interesting documents and conducted 17 more raids and got plenty of more guys. Now supposedly this Egyptian guy is going to take the place of Zarqawi. He told Zarqawi to stop killing so many civilains and just attack the armed forces. He's obviously the lesser evil.

Yes it's as easy as that. :rofl:

None of you guys find the idea of a bloke with one leg hopping around
Iraq evading capture for years whilst attempting to provoke a civil war
in order to how was it put in Bosnia 'Keep the warring sides apart'
then regrowing it slightly strange ?
 

DPRKPTboat

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Apparently Zarqawi made himself unpopular with most of Al-Qaeda, despite their intenese propaganda praising him. His attacks on Shias made him a lot of enemies, including some high-level terrorists. And his beheadings alienated muslims. And he clearly wasn't popular with Ayman al-Zawahiri, who said in his letter to him: "do not be diluded by the fact young fanatics are calling you sheikh of the slaughterers." He told him to stop bombing Shia mosques as it was damaging Al-Qaeda's reputation, and to stop beheading hostages, which horrified even Bin Laden. Zarqawi inflicted lasting damage to the image Al-Qaeda in a country where the majority are Shias. But Zarqawi disobeyed orders, which not only shows that their command is unstable, but it alos shows they were probably glad to be rid of him. In fact, i'm starting to wonder if the guy who tipped him off was working for his enemies. He was arrogant enough to to make a tape of himself of a video in the open firng a gun which he couldn't operate, which not only made him a figure of scorn amogst the terrorists, but it also apprently lead to his capture. Zarqawi's arrogance, brutality and insistence on taking the lead probably lead to his downfall.
 

DPRKUnderground

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DPRKPTboat said:
Apparently Zarqawi made himself unpopular with most of Al-Qaeda, despite their intenese propaganda praising him. His attacks on Shias made him a lot of enemies, including some high-level terrorists. And his beheadings alienated muslims. And he clearly wasn't popular with Ayman al-Zawahiri, who said in his letter to him: "do not be diluded by the fact young fanatics are calling you sheikh of the slaughterers." He told him to stop bombing Shia mosques as it was damaging Al-Qaeda's reputation, and to stop beheading hostages, which horrified even Bin Laden. Zarqawi inflicted lasting damage to the image Al-Qaeda in a country where the majority are Shias. But Zarqawi disobeyed orders, which not only shows that their command is unstable, but it alos shows they were probably glad to be rid of him. In fact, i'm starting to wonder if the guy who tipped him off was working for his enemies. He was arrogant enough to to make a tape of himself of a video in the open firng a gun which he couldn't operate, which not only made him a figure of scorn amogst the terrorists, but it also apprently lead to his capture. Zarqawi's arrogance, brutality and insistence on taking the lead probably lead to his downfall.

The people on the news have been saying that it might have been a tip from the inside. I also heard that the Jordanians helped out in the raid. Any news on that?
 

renmin

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Do we even know if Binladork is still alive?! Last I heard he had cancer and is seriously sick. I doubt a local hospital is going to help one of the most wanted men on earth! here is a article on how Zarqawi's death might affect Iraq.
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It says it is a significant boost in morale but would not help insugency.
 

crazyinsane105

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Before Zarqawi came along, the Iraqi insurgency mostly focused on attacks against American soldiers. He crashed the show and it was Zarqawi that started to conduct the secratarion violence in Iraq. Many Sunni insurgent groups wanted Zarqawi dead because the goal was to get the Americans out of Iraq, not to declare war on their fellow Shitte brothers.

I wouldn't be surprised if Zarqawi was killed by a tip coming from another Al Qaeda operative. Just watch: two months from now Al Qaeda will again resurface in Iraq but it won't target the Shittes. Instead, the commander will probably be working under bin Laden himself.
 
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