Z-8 and Z-18 transport helicopter - family & versions

Franklin

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I wouldn't be so sure about that.

The days when China needs to buy Mi171s are indeed over, but with the Russian economy tanking because of western market intervention on oil prices and sanctions, Beijing may well decide to throw Putin a lifeline and sign a few big contracts to give the Russian economy a boost.

China will help Russia economically by buying more energy and raw materials, invest in Russia's oil and gas fields, giving them some loans and doing more currency swaps. Not by buying more arms and equipment from Russia that they don't need because they can build them at home. Its not just about the money going to the Russians but its also about supporting and growing China's own defence and aerospace industry at home. And that is of the utmost importance to China. China is willing to help Russia but only up to a point.
 

superdog

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I wouldn't be so sure about that.

The days when China needs to buy Mi171s are indeed over, but with the Russian economy tanking because of western market intervention on oil prices and sanctions, Beijing may well decide to throw Putin a lifeline and sign a few big contracts to give the Russian economy a boost.
Also, the twin-engine Mi171 may still be a more economical general purpose workhorse in the army, whereas the Z-18/AC313 (most likely more expensive) could be reserved for operations that require higher performances, such as at the sea or in high altitude regions.
 

superdog

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China will help Russia economically by buying more energy and raw materials, invest in Russia's oil and gas fields, giving them some loans and doing more currency swaps. Not by buying more arms and equipment from Russia that they don't need because they can build them at home. Its not just about the money going to the Russians but its also about supporting and growing China's own defence and aerospace industry at home. And that is of the utmost importance to China. China is willing to help Russia but only up to a point.
Well, being made in China doesn't mean the Z-18 is guaranteed to be the most cost-effective medium helicopter for all scenarios. If they can still buy Mi171s to fulfill some roles at a lower cost then why not? In the long run I do think China will build all the helicopters they need domestically, but probably not going to happen immediately when they just started to build a few Z-18 and still testing the Z-20.
 

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China will help Russia economically by buying more energy and raw materials, invest in Russia's oil and gas fields, giving them some loans and doing more currency swaps. Not by buying more arms and equipment from Russia that they don't need because they can build them at home. Its not just about the money going to the Russians but its also about supporting and growing China's own defence and aerospace industry at home. And that is of the utmost importance to China. China is willing to help Russia but only up to a point.

Z-8/18 may not fill all of the needs for PLA and Mi-171 could be cheaper, which is a good reason to buy some Mi-171. China's defense industry is strong enough at the moment, where not every decision needs to be taken with the idea of how to grow domestic industry, but rather what's more cost efficient for PLA.
 

Tyloe

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The Z-18 is probably why China declined Russia's relatively recent offer of Mi-26Ts. AVIC is probably going to join Rostvertol to create totally a new heavy lift transport helicopter instead.
 

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Z-18 and Mi-26 are completely different weight classes, not related at all.
 

Deino

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The Z-18 is probably why China declined Russia's relatively recent offer of Mi-26Ts. AVIC is probably going to join Rostvertol to create totally a new heavy lift transport helicopter instead.

Not probably, this new type currently labeled AHL is a fixed deal.

Russia and China to determine configuration of joint transport helicopter in early 2015
11.11.2014 / Interfax

According to the CEO of the Russian Helicopters Alexander Mikheev, the technical configuration of the joint Russian and Chinese heavy-lift transport helicopter is going to be determined by February 2015.

"We are currently developing the program of cooperation and division of responsibility of both the parties. We are determining the activities that each party is going to be in charge of. It is important to define which design bureaus are going to be engaged and what expertise and technologies we are going to use. In two or three months we are going to hold certain negotiations, where the configuration and flight performance of this helicopter will become clear," said Mr. Mikheev to the press at the international Air Show China-2014 opened in Zhuhai on Tuesday.

It was previously reported that the Russian and Chinese heavy-lift helicopter was planned to be developed based on the technologies of Mi-26T — the heaviest helicopter in the world produced by Rosvertol (part of Russian Helicopters).

CEO also noted that the new helicopter is not going to be similar to or a modernized version of the Russian heavy-lift Mi-26T helicopter.

"This helicopter is going to be developed especially for the Chinese market to implement those missions established by various ministries and authorities of China, in particular, by the Emergency Situations Ministry," said Mr. Mikheev.

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I meant if the deal was aimed for the army as China only uses mil-26 for humanitarian missions.

Mi-26 and Z-18 have nothing to do with each other. If China only uses Mi-26 for civilian purposes, then that's a separate issue and not related to whether it has Z-18 or not.
 
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