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Hendrik_2000

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Ardiden 3c and wz16 are more or less the same engine. And they are both meant for civilian market. AC352 is a civilian helicopter which will be sold commercially in China (and some other countries) and will fly with wz16 engines. Customers from Europe/US and some other countries can not buy AC352 (maybe second hand they can?), as they have to go through Airbus Helicopters and buy their variant, EC175 with ardiden engine.

What i meant to say is that we're likely to see a separate military use variant of WZ16. Different in, if nothing else, then at least in name.

No WZ 16 is not meant for civilian it can be equally used in the military as well. That is why they have 2 track development I still don't understand your logic why separate variant of WZ 16 ? Because WZ 16 IP is owned by Chinese company and most of the part and component are build in China This is not license copy of ardiden 3C It is cojoint development so there is nothing to prevent if from using it in military
EC 175 is available for purchase long time ago WZ 16 finish development in 2016 If is mena for civilian The Chinese can buy ardiden 3 C with no problem Why bother developing WZ16?
The fact that they go thru all the trouble of developing WZ 16 meant they want to source all the component and part from domestic source
 
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WZ16 is definitely meant for civilian market. It may see usage in military craft as well (with or without renaming the engine to something else) but most of the engines are going to be put in AC352, for civilian market within China and close-by countries.

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This line is quite clear: "While development work has been equally shared between Airbus Helicopters and Avicopter for the EC175/AC352 project, production is likewise shared, combining the capabilities of both companies. Coming from a common platform, two different rotorcraft are being built: the AC352, assembled and supported from China by Avicopter, mainly for the Chinese market; and the EC175, assembled and supported by Airbus Helicopters from Marignane, France, for the worldwide market."

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Why *might* a name change be prudent? Because one never knows when the West might object to technology being put to military use. Right now, WZ16 is to be used for civilian craft. But there might be issues and perhaps even sanctions or what not if it's publicly announced to be used in military craft as well. Basically, similar issues as with PWC engines. It doesn't matter if engine is licenced from western tech or if it was co-developed, it still has western input in it. (Just like US is stopping Scalp cruise missile deliveries to Egypt because a few components within them are US sourced) With engine being named WZ18 or what not, China would not be admitting to anything. There'd be burden on West to prove it's the same engine. And getting spies inside the military to prove that may not be as easy nor as worthwhile.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Avicopter successfully developed the conformal antenna recently, which will be used on a new helicopter under development soon.
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Innovation! China's First Helicopter Conformal Antenna Developed Successfully
2018-05-31 09:21 Aviation Industry
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Core Tip: Recently, the first helicopter-conformal antenna independently developed by the aviation industry passed electrical tests, and the results showed that the electrical performance of the conformal antenna was in line with expectations.

The first helicopter-conformal antenna independently developed by the
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recently passed electrical performance tests. The results show that the conformal antenna electrical performance test results are in line with expectations, marking the successful development of the domestic first helicopter confocal antenna and will be implemented in domestic helicopter models. Installed applications.

At present, most of the conventional antennas used in aerial antennas are rod antennas, which are installed on the outer surface of the body structure. The rod antenna will destroy the aerodynamic characteristics of the aircraft to varying degrees and increase the radar reflection surface. In particular, the rod antenna is directly affected by the aerodynamic load and breakage often occurs. These are not in line with the development trend of helicopters in the new era.



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Rod antenna of tailpipe of AC311 helicopter

The conformal antenna realizes the conformal design of the antenna and the structure, it does not damage the aerodynamic surface of the aircraft, and the reliability is improved because the antenna is not directly affected by the aerodynamic load.
 

Hendrik_2000

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WZ16 is definitely meant for civilian market. It may see usage in military craft as well (with or without renaming the engine to something else) but most of the engines are going to be put in AC352, for civilian market within China and close-by countries.

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This line is quite clear: "While development work has been equally shared between Airbus Helicopters and Avicopter for the EC175/AC352 project, production is likewise shared, combining the capabilities of both companies. Coming from a common platform, two different rotorcraft are being built: the AC352, assembled and supported from China by Avicopter, mainly for the Chinese market; and the EC175, assembled and supported by Airbus Helicopters from Marignane, France, for the worldwide market."

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Why *might* a name change be prudent? Because one never knows when the West might object to technology being put to military use. Right now, WZ16 is to be used for civilian craft. But there might be issues and perhaps even sanctions or what not if it's publicly announced to be used in military craft as well. Basically, similar issues as with PWC engines. It doesn't matter if engine is licenced from western tech or if it was co-developed, it still has western input in it. (Just like US is stopping Scalp cruise missile deliveries to Egypt because a few components within them are US sourced) With engine being named WZ18 or what not, China would not be admitting to anything. There'd be burden on West to prove it's the same engine. And getting spies inside the military to prove that may not be as easy nor as worthwhile.

Your article does not categorically said it is for civilian NO NOTHING Anyway sanction won't work because all the component is source in China unlike license when the licencor withold important component from the licensee The input is only in the design Safran design the hot part and Avicopter design the rest But it is wholly manufacture in China
PW is imported engine completely different story Chin has no intellectual right on the design and did not manufacture the engine
 
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