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    I don't think so, Jadgpanther was first built in 1944, entered service in 1945

    The afrika krop was over by May 1943
     
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    the countryside doesn't look like Africa either :)
     
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    In November 1942 when the U.S. Army landed in North Africa as a part of Operation Torch, they brought along more than the troops and military equipment necessary to push the AXIS forces.

    They also brought along everything necessary to set up three complete Coca-Cola bottling plants to keep allied troops well supplied.

    Coca-Cola-Plant-WW2-01.jpg

    Coca-Cola-Plant-WW2-02.jpg
     
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    three quarters of century ago, Germany attacked Soviet Union, the idea is to recall in the pub this afternoon what was also called Plan A-A (as in Archangels-Astrakhan, to be ultimately reached ... something unbelievable):

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    (I put there the strongest military ally for this operation, which was Romania, and the strongest strategic ally for this operation, which was Finland) ​

    my talking points :) (it's impossible to talk for more than quarter of hour, especially if it was boring) South - Center - North twice, with the tide slowly turning ...:
    • Brody tank battle (the biggest numbers ever)
    • crossing the Bug River around the Brest-Litovsk Fortress
    • the tank attack up to the Dvina River, and how von Manstein wanted to go on
    • von Rundstedt leaving Rostov-upon-Don
    • Zhukov successful against Yelnya Salient
    • Russian offensive around Tikvin (before 1941 Winter Counteroffensive)
     
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    ... and last week I was thinking about another terrible 75th anniversary, which seemed to me to be premature to mention ... but I changed my mind after I had read
    3 Nebraska Pearl Harbor survivors join to share memories
    in NavyTimes now: http://www.navytimes.com/story/mili...arbor-survivors-join-share-memories/86374950/
    and found: http://pearlharbor75thanniversary.com/
    with plenty of details
     
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    IIRC I got the "noisy outburst" from a British writer. And I think Hitler ordered Von Paulus not to break out or to surrender in order to save those eight hundred thousand. He was not as incompetent as his generals wanted to make out after the war.
     
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    who's he above, Hitla or Paulus (sorry I didn't get it)?
     
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    Many German generals wrote memoirs after the war not showing their own mistakes but attributing failures to Hitler's mistaken notions. I have read few of these memoirs but have seen references to them in mostly English language books. And if he indeed consciously sacrificed the 6th army to save 800 000 other soldiers he was right to do so and was wrongly accused of incompetence by generals who lacked the whole picture at the time and refused to acknowledge their mistake after the war but continued to blame Hitler.
     
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    well, my point was the adventure of 1942 push south-east (Fall Blau) could've ended much worse for the Germans (EDIT and their allies) than "just" loosing at Stalingrad, but
    I mean they were lucky not to loose big way then, but nobody "consciously sacrificed" Army Group "B" :)

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    I read von Manstein's "Lost Victories" in the dorm, which means a quarter of century ago
     
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