WT... Flying Saucer? AVIC Super(?) Great White Shark?

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    @TerraN_EmpirE
    This seems to be purely a mockup / experimental thingy intended to make sure that local visitors do throng the stalls. The thing looks weird (and hideous). Distinctly "Juche". Something that Kim Jong Un would inspect. There exists no use-case for this thing. Kinda like the occasional "concept art" showing BWB designs and SSTO stuff from Boeing, Airbus etc. A PR effort.
     
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    Flying saucer-like attack helicopter to take to the sky in 2020 - Global Times
     
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    More the powers that be are showing they have an R&D budget.

    Some of the time, you're going to produce clones or products that follow the main developmental direction, like the J-20 or WZ-10. Sometimes, you're going to try something really out there that might not work, but is worth a try. See American X-planes as an example or the Su-47.

    Who knows, maybe this aircraft will have incredible maneuverability for a helicopter and keep 'copters relevant for a decade or two longer. The alternative is tilt-rotors and drones, which AVIC is already doing.
     
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    The quality of the build screams "low budget". Is it supposed to work using Coanda effect ? It doesn't seem so. A ducted fan helicopter/ vehicle would've made some sense ( a lot of sense, actually). I hope this thing gets shelved. Where is the "Blue Whale" Heavy Lift Helicopter ?
     
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    I get it’s a mock up.but there is a concept at the heart of that.
     
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    hope this not prior published!!.....details of a proposed flying saucer or termed as 'Great White Shark'
     
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    The mockup is low budget. The black saucer is a serious tech demonstrator.
     
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    Cross-posting here from the Chinese Aviation Industry thread. As you can see from the specs, the speed of this thing and its payload are quite significant.

    Occupants: Two
    Length: 7.6m
    Height: 2.85m
    Rotor Diameter: 4.9m
    Standard Takeoff Weight: 3500kg
    Max Takeoff Weight: 6000kg
    Max Level Flight Speed: 650km/hr
    Ceiling: 6000m
    Range: 2950m
    Rate of Climb: 16.5m/s

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    What's more interesting is that the "Great White Shark" is the result of a much larger future rotorcraft program that also looked at other fuselage designs, as seen in the image below. The Great White Shark may externally resemble the Avrocar, but that's coincidental, as the internals are rather very different. Avrocar failed due to its insurmountable stability problems, its miserable payload capacity, low speed, and the fact that it could only fly 1.1 meter off the ground. The Great White Shark, on the other hand, adopts the saucer shroud as a means of achieving battlefield stealth. If I'm reading this correctly, it features two contra-rotating co-axial lift-fans to counter instability induced by the torque effect, and forward thrust is provided by a pair of turbojets. Turbojets are used presumably due to limited space. Change in direction is provided by varying thrusts of the two turbojets.
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    Here's another concept born out of the same program, code named "King Elephant". It's a heavy-lift rotorcraft.

    Specs are as follows:
    Rotor diameter: 37.6m
    Height of 10.6m
    Empty weight: 29 tons
    Max take-off weight: 58.5 tons
    Max cruising speed: 450km/hr
    Range: 2350km
    Ceiling: 7000m
    Occupants: 5

    As you can see, the King Elephant is essentially a larger version of the "Great White Shark" without the stealth shroud. It too features a pair of co-axial contra-rotating rotors for lift, with forward thrust provided by a pair of turbofans.
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    And finally, there is a drone version of the Great White Shark named XS-1, featuring an AI pilot (?).
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    P.S. I couldn't completely translate these as they are images. Please point out any errors in my summary.
     
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    Are these saucer looking designs somehow more efficient that helicopters? I'm missing the point so far.
     
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    Lol this thing. Don't pay attention to what the claim is, pay attention to who makes the product. This is a project by 大嘴鹦鹉空天技术, a complete nobody, no previous projects or a website or anything. Calling it vaporware would be an insult to vaporware.
     
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