Ws13a?

skyhawk2005

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Will Pakistan get TOT on this engine?

I've read reports that say Pakistan will manufacture 100% JF17 in a few years. Does that include the Engine, radar, etc?
Or is it restricted to airframe only?
 

tphuang

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well, Pakistan already has an assembley line for Griffo S7, right? As for WS-13A, who knows? Pakistan really did not pay for the development of this engine. And besides, does Pakistan have the technology required to manufacture turbofan engines.?
 

skyhawk2005

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tphuang said:
well, Pakistan already has an assembley line for Griffo S7, right? As for WS-13A, who knows? Pakistan really did not pay for the development of this engine. And besides, does Pakistan have the technology required to manufacture turbofan engines.?


No, but then again, that's what TOT is about. Transferring technology over.
 

tphuang

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no, but the point is whether or not Pakistan has the industrial capability to even produce turbofan engines?
 

skyhawk2005

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tphuang said:
no, but the point is whether or not Pakistan has the industrial capability to even produce turbofan engines?


No, they didn't. Neither did they have the capacity to make the JF17 or the radar, but that is what TOT is for.

Transfer Of Technology, the capability to manufacture locally.

So, does anyone have the answer to this question?

Is it 100% of the JF17, or 100% of the airframe?

I don't think WS13 or any jet engine is part of the TOT, but I could be wrong.
 

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there are certain technology that even if you give a country everything they need to know, they would not be able to produce it. That's why you see that the French are having doubts about whether or not the indians can actually build the Scorpenes. Anyhow, here is what I get from PDF.
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" The official said 50 per cent of the airframe would initially be manufactured in Pakistan and it would progressively be enhanced to 100 per cent. Similarly, cooperation with original equipment manufacturers would be expanded over a period of time for co-production of avionics systems. Twenty-two avionics systems would be co-produced at PAC including radar, self-protection jammer, high-tech flight control and mission computers. The PAC chairman said the JF-17 project would ensure availability of an affordable and sustainable weapon system for the PAF capable of meeting its operational requirements. He said a new technical manpower of 3,000 personnel would be created only for the project of JF-17."

So, what PAF gets to co-produce is the airframe and the avionics. What it doesn't co-produce is the engine and the AAMs.

Speaking of avionics, this is a picture of Grifo s7 from beijing airshow:
grifos78mx.jpg
 
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skyhawk2005

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tell that to the pakistani members and u will get ur ass kicked. what makes u say that? i would assume as long as pakistan had the blueprints, technical data, and some chinese aids, they could do it. soon they wouldnt need the aids.


***. Making an aircraft engine is the most difficult thing to do, even if you have the blueprints, and aid.
I think that you should research more in the engine construction. Maybe Akula can enlight us on this, since he's a aircraft engine enginneer...

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crazyinsane105

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Let me settle this once and for all: if Pakistan can make serial production of ballistic missiles, Al Khalid tanks, nuclear weapons, and all other complex war machines, how does Pakistan NOT have the ability to make turbofans for jet aircraft engines? All Pakistan needs is a ToT, that's all. With a ToT, you can expect Pakistan to be churning out WS-13a's like sausages. As a matter of fact, any country with a ToT will have little difficulty in assembling and producing that product.
 
The JF-17 program was so useless for the PRC. They developed it, devoted much brainpower and resources, and paid for half of it, and all they get is a fighter they won't even use. Essentially, all they did was develop a fighter for Pakistan. Maybe they gained some technical experience and technology and are more skilled now, but that would be all. Pakistan, on the other hand, gains a new fighter superior to anything they have, plus they gain all the new tech that they hever had before.
 
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PiSigma

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FC-1 is not entirely useless to china, china still needs something very cheap and can be mass produced fast to replace the J-7s for border patrol roles. J-10/J-11/su-30s are more for elite units. and J-xx won't be out for a long time.

there's no reason to doubt pakistan's industrial capacity. they have proven themselves multiple times to be able to build advanced and technically challenging military hardware. sure they are not building M1A2s or F-22s, but how many nations can do that?? 1, and that's USA. but if we are looking at production of something of a bit less quality, pakistan is already in the club. if pakistan dind't have the ability to produce her own weapons and had to import everything, india won't be so annoyed with pakistan all the time.
 
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