World Powers (Incl China) Economic Geo Political Influence and their Military spending

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  1. Janiz
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    lol, people around this board are as uneducated as it gets. It's only yelling 'China!, China!' all the time. Philippines changing their course, lol. Learn some history before you join any kind of discussion about SCS around here. Boy...
    That might be true but in the small scale. No one said Ukraine is ready to join NATO.
    Russia don't have enough power to occupy half a million square km of nothingness. They're busy enough with their own affairs at the moment
    There was nothing like that. In case of war on the Pacific I think that Russia would rather want to capitalize on the alternative transport route through Antartic region than backing up PRC in any fashion. I bet you never thought about that aspect. Yes Russian territory there could be an alternative way to deliver everything escaping Pacific and Indian Ocean. That's one of their fortes.
    Asia <> PRC
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    Nope, the Philippines is still hedging. And I'm very familiar with the history of the SCS. Particularly when Hillary Clinton "refreshed her memory" and announced to the world that the SCS was now a core interest for China, as per Geoff Dyer. She was right that China would have no choice but to embrace her announcement. But she was wrong in the Chinese response, which demonstrated US impotence. See youtube 1UMhxAJaM5Q

    What was the EU thinking for Ukraine? Membership of the EU. That is probably not going to happen now, but at a high cost to Russia.

    Russia still does have the capacity to unfreeze the Ukraine conflict and make it a hot war again, which makes NATO membership impossible. That don't need to occupy the rest of Ukraine.

    In the event of a Pacific War? Russia would be really stupid if they didn't indirectly support China, whilst taking advantage where they can. Russia will surely hang if they are alone.

    And bringing up the Antarctic transport routes is irrelevant. Look at the geography, where the trade flows are going/coming and also the relative costs involved. You can look at these yourself.

    Of course Asia is more than just China, but remember that China is somewhat larger economically than the rest of Asia combined. You can count it yourself.

    Your original comment was that Europe is important, but I'm making the point that Asia overall is already economically larger than the US+Europe. And that global economic activity continues to shift towards Asia due to much higher growth rates from China, India, etc
     
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    EU has been unable to provide for Romania and Bulgaria and help them get rid of corruption. Ukraine would be a much larger problem. Ukrainians will have to solve the problems themselves beginning with executing their part of the Minsk II agreement but as yet there has been no movement. It would then be better to associate the country with the Eurasian Economic Union and China rather than with faltering EU.
     
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    On balance, the EU would be better than Russia at helping Ukraine get rid of corruption. But at the end of the day, it is their own political system which is something only they can fix by themselves.

    If we look at the past 25+ years, Ukraine would qualify as a failed state.

    On Romania and Bulgaria, they are corrupt compared to Western European levels, but not to Russia.

    Romania and Bulgaria are much poorer than the rest of the EU, which is also an economic bloc some 10x larger than Russia. So we can see their wage levels and economic growth rates are still growing and they should catch up to high income levels.

    Also, China is just too far away from Ukraine to make a difference. Remember Russia and the EU actually share land borders with Ukraine.

    So the original argument stands. The EU offers more opportunity as it represents an economic bloc which is much richer and bigger than the Russian-led Eurasian Economic Union.
     
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    On balance we see ever more corruption in EU countries and while EU policy towards Ukraine has always included fighting corruption the lack of success in that direction suggests that looking to EU in this respect is a mistake.
     
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