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    Banning the full veil, long headscarves, and loose garments which could hide bombs or other weapons make sense, they should be banned for boarding any sort of public transportation, but the other clothing/appearance restrictions are impractical. Long beards? Star and crescent moon? Come on, people should be allowed to dress like a wizard if they want to. :)

    Banning lighters and liquids/gelatinous stuff also make sense, the article makes it sound like it's specifically against yogurt and water, it's just like when boarding airplanes in a lot of countries.

    On a related note something often lost either in translation or in poor reporting in English language media is the term "knife" is often used to describe how many terrorists in China are armed, this is very misleading as the weapons used are more like large falchions. The general term sword would be much more accurate.
     
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    That was my suspicion from the beginning. It means that it might well be too late to avoid an increase of the temperature averaged over the Earth surface of some 10 degrees Celsius just as 55 milion years ago. The people coming after us in hundred or two hundred years time will realy be living in interesting times.
     
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    Personally I was hoping it would have been something more exotic than just methane gas. I don’t think it is part of the global warming (flat earth) alarmists. The increase temperatures are probably due to the solar flares we had a couple of months ago and the fact that there is an “El Nino” event in the ocean currents. This happens every twelve years.

    Biggest Solar Flares of 2014: Sun Storm Photos

    How El Niño will change the world's weather in 2014 | Environment | The Guardian

    I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
     
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    Human activity, more specifically the burning of fossil fuel, has released enormous amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere that would otherwise have been locked underground.

    Greenhouse gases released into the atmosphere has the potential to raise the global average temperature through the greenhouse effect.

    Those two facts are proven and indisputable.

    What is more debatable is the effect on climate that this will have. Climate is an incredibly complex system, and scientists have a lot of trouble making predictions based on their current models.

    However, that doesn't change the fact that the greenhouse gases are having an effect on the planet. We're just not sure what effect it will have exactly.

    Not to get into the issue too deeply, but rapid changes in the natural environment are almost never a good thing for its current inhabitants. Hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes: they're all examples of rapid, albeit localized, changes in the natural environment. Rapid global changes have, in the past, resulted in mass extinctions. This is why scientists are worried.
     
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    We have a good reconstruction of the solar activity over the last five thousand years or so and that doesn't correlate with the development of average world temperatures. The global warming hypothesis is supported by many observations including those of the 55 million years ago temperature excursion.
     
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    Not so. Over the past 600 million years, Earth's climate can be broadly categorized as "greenhouse" or "icehouse." This graphic shows the timing and distribution of glacial debris evidence. Glacial evidence at lower latitudes (closer to the equator) suggests colder climates. The shift to icehouse climates during the Cenozoic Era is one of only a few such shifts since the beginning of the Paleozoic Era. Continents were also moving during this time as show by the maps on the right. North America (yellow star) was much closer to the equator during the Paleozoic Era! Graphic modified from Kenworthy (2010), information compiled from Frakes and others (1992). Paleogeography maps modified from Ronald Blakey, Northern Arizona University Department of Geology.

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    During the last 600 million years earth has been an ice ball and a steamy jungle all before the onset of man and industrialization. Unfortunately man gives himself too much self-importance and think that he is the cause of all the worlds’ ills.


    If you are truly interested in learning there are many scientific web sites that have correlated this data. Not only on geological evidence, but also in fossils

    That is not to say we should pollute. on the contrary we need to be careful of our environment for our own health. However the climate of the earth is more dependent on solar and geological (i.e. volcanos, etc.) than on man’s minor annoyance
     
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    Over the past 600 million years, we've also had 5 major mass extinction events, as well as many more lesser, but still catastrophic extinction events.

    I absolutely agree that the Earth will go on with or without mankind, but that's beside the point. We are concerned about Anthropogenic Climate Change not because we are worried about the Earth, but because we are worried about humanity's continued survival on this Earth.

    While it's true that our planet has gone through enormous geological changes without any human intervention, that is not a reason for us to be complacent about our own impact on the giant chemical reaction that is the planet Earth. The impact of rapid geological and meteorological changes in the past is a good indication of what will happen with current climate changes.

    Humanity's impact on the climate of the Earth may be minor compared to solar and geological influences, but let's not forget that humanity itself is a pretty minor part of the Earth. Just like a single boiling cup of tea can kill hundreds of ants, a "minor" rise of only a few centimeters of sea level can cause result in catastrophe for the world's most populous cities.
     
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    Agree completely with your statement!. Additionally, that is why I said: "That is not to say we should pollute. On the contrary we need to be careful of our environment for our own health."
     
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