That guy is Haruna Yukawa.
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That guy is Haruna Yukawa.
SteelBird
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Well, I think this is a little complicated. I think police has done what they were supposed to do but this is a little special case. First of all, I'm a guy living outside the United States and do not understand very well the society of the United States, so below is just my personal opinion. As usual, if someone shoplifted something from a store, store owner calls police, and police come to arrest the bad guy. Police order the suspected bad guy to show his hands to prevent him from having weapon. If he doesn't obey the order or acts aggressively. Police have the right to shoot. Police do nothing wrong. But here, it is a little special case that police shoot and kill black guy has become a hot topic that causes social unrest. If you shoot and kill another black guy especially he only commit a minor crime, you add fuel on fire. I don't understand, police in the United States are all equipped with stun-gun/teaser, right? Why they chose to use real gun with live ammo and shot up to 12 times??? Furthermore, the guy was light weight compared to that two policemen, why couldn't they tackle him down?
The problem with this situation was, that the guy was walking and basically a police car drove by and than … well we do not know exactly what happened since reports / witness accounts differ except that in the end the guy was shot dead by a policemen.
As for the guy strong arming the store clerk and taking the cigars the problem is, that there were at least two video recordings form the store shown in the media both of which were edited – I hope there is a full recording out there of what took place from the moment the guy entered the store to the point when he finally exited it. Now I am not trying to exculpate Brown here what I am saying is, that more info regarding the store incident is definitely needed and showing edited recordings definitely does not help to clear the situation.
Now it seem and I would like to underline the it seems part that the policemen was not responding to the report of the robbery and wanted to stop Brown as a suspect but basically drove by and seeing a guy walking down the street ordered him to get off the road and onto the sidewalk instead. Reasonable and in fact he should have been walking on the sidewalk in the first place. Anyway from that point on the encounter escalated the climax being the fatal shooting of Brown.
Why the riots – again this is not my opinion but the general idea black Americans frequently put forward. Namely policemen when seeing some minor misconduct such as for example walking off the sidewalk by a black person will frequently make a big deal out of it reacting disproportionally and in a way that – again not my opinion but an idea you might get from hearing black Americans – they would seldom react if they encountered a white men especially one looking to be of important status.
This is in part why the riots. Plus there is much more such as for example why the heavily militarised police focused so much on assuming an intimidating presence (rifles pointed at) vis a vis the gatherings of protesters instead of for example putting up a visible presence & defensive stance in close proximity of commercial venues. The thing being that looters – and that sometimes happens basically in every part of the world – frequently take big advantage of demos, protests and other large gatherings and using the crowed voicing its opinions as a cover to start looting stores etc. So instead of trying to intimidate the protesters the police with all the weaps and gear would have been better utilised by protecting property which should have been their primary focus.
Again I am not taking a stance on this at all. I am basically presenting an opinion based on what I could read / hear / see in US media which of course are heavily opinionated and have a strong bias as media have in all places around the world.
And yes I am not an American and do not claim to be an expert on America – there are Americans here, in fact they run this forum, who could probably give a much better assessment of the situation. But since this is a forum throwing in my 2 cents is IMHO not out of bounds.
As for the guy strong arming the store clerk and taking the cigars the problem is, that there were at least two video recordings form the store shown in the media both of which were edited – I hope there is a full recording out there of what took place from the moment the guy entered the store to the point when he finally exited it. Now I am not trying to exculpate Brown here what I am saying is, that more info regarding the store incident is definitely needed and showing edited recordings definitely does not help to clear the situation.
Now it seem and I would like to underline the it seems part that the policemen was not responding to the report of the robbery and wanted to stop Brown as a suspect but basically drove by and seeing a guy walking down the street ordered him to get off the road and onto the sidewalk instead. Reasonable and in fact he should have been walking on the sidewalk in the first place. Anyway from that point on the encounter escalated the climax being the fatal shooting of Brown.
Why the riots – again this is not my opinion but the general idea black Americans frequently put forward. Namely policemen when seeing some minor misconduct such as for example walking off the sidewalk by a black person will frequently make a big deal out of it reacting disproportionally and in a way that – again not my opinion but an idea you might get from hearing black Americans – they would seldom react if they encountered a white men especially one looking to be of important status.
This is in part why the riots. Plus there is much more such as for example why the heavily militarised police focused so much on assuming an intimidating presence (rifles pointed at) vis a vis the gatherings of protesters instead of for example putting up a visible presence & defensive stance in close proximity of commercial venues. The thing being that looters – and that sometimes happens basically in every part of the world – frequently take big advantage of demos, protests and other large gatherings and using the crowed voicing its opinions as a cover to start looting stores etc. So instead of trying to intimidate the protesters the police with all the weaps and gear would have been better utilised by protecting property which should have been their primary focus.
Again I am not taking a stance on this at all. I am basically presenting an opinion based on what I could read / hear / see in US media which of course are heavily opinionated and have a strong bias as media have in all places around the world.
And yes I am not an American and do not claim to be an expert on America – there are Americans here, in fact they run this forum, who could probably give a much better assessment of the situation. But since this is a forum throwing in my 2 cents is IMHO not out of bounds.
POKL, thank you for your great post.
As a very conservative Black man living in the USA this is what I think about the events that have taken place in Ferguson MO.
1) Micheal Brown was conducting a criminal act i.e. shoplifting.. He had some sort of confrontation with the police and was shot and killed...
2)The media in the US loves to fan the flames of race baiting, discourse, fear mongering and twist the truth. For instance..did you know that the demonstrations and violence were confined to a four block area in Ferguson? I just found that out today.
3)Brown was the perpetrator and fit the description of the person the police were searching for. Brown saw the police and "panicked".. knowing full well that anything that takes place in a retail store is being recorded. Guilt over came him. He struggled with the police and was shot and killed. Were the police over aggressive? Perhaps. but I was not there.. so I don't know.
4)Because of the media , rumors, false reports, outside agitators fanning the flames of descent... And mainly the criminal element in the area coming forward to use the death of Micheal Brown as an excuse to loot, pillage and walk off with what ever items they could.
5)That's how the police operate in the US in civil disturbance situations no matter who's participating.. Why? Because the civilian populace is heavily armed with all sorts of weapons the police never know what they are going to face..
Is their racial discourse in the US. Of course. However the situation is no where near the level that the media & others want you to believe.
People like Jesse Jackson & Al Charlatan..oooppps I mean All Sharpton use these situations to line the coffers of the organizations they represent with donations from well meaning folks that just are kept in the dark listening to these two men spout whatever they spout. The thing is these two men started off as well intentioned men in the Civil Rights movement.
I grew up in a time where there was real racial discrimination in the US. 1953 late 1960s...and you don't even what to know.
Just my opinion.
And I'm not planning on discussing this any further than this.
As a very conservative Black man living in the USA this is what I think about the events that have taken place in Ferguson MO.
1) Micheal Brown was conducting a criminal act i.e. shoplifting.. He had some sort of confrontation with the police and was shot and killed...
2)The media in the US loves to fan the flames of race baiting, discourse, fear mongering and twist the truth. For instance..did you know that the demonstrations and violence were confined to a four block area in Ferguson? I just found that out today.
3)Brown was the perpetrator and fit the description of the person the police were searching for. Brown saw the police and "panicked".. knowing full well that anything that takes place in a retail store is being recorded. Guilt over came him. He struggled with the police and was shot and killed. Were the police over aggressive? Perhaps. but I was not there.. so I don't know.
4)Because of the media , rumors, false reports, outside agitators fanning the flames of descent... And mainly the criminal element in the area coming forward to use the death of Micheal Brown as an excuse to loot, pillage and walk off with what ever items they could.
5)That's how the police operate in the US in civil disturbance situations no matter who's participating.. Why? Because the civilian populace is heavily armed with all sorts of weapons the police never know what they are going to face..
Is their racial discourse in the US. Of course. However the situation is no where near the level that the media & others want you to believe.
People like Jesse Jackson & Al Charlatan..oooppps I mean All Sharpton use these situations to line the coffers of the organizations they represent with donations from well meaning folks that just are kept in the dark listening to these two men spout whatever they spout. The thing is these two men started off as well intentioned men in the Civil Rights movement.
I grew up in a time where there was real racial discrimination in the US. 1953 late 1960s...and you don't even what to know.
Just my opinion.
And I'm not planning on discussing this any further than this.
GREAT synopsis, and SPOT on, Gerry.
I have friends and family who asked me about this so I have done some serious research the last few days, including contacting people I know in St. Louis in law enforcement. I then wrote this to my family and friends:
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The left, the race batters, and this administration want a particular narrative about Ferguson, and they have a willing and abetting media to help make it happen and maintain it.
Simply put...that's why this incident is lasting so long in the media.
This Ferguson narrative of a white cop deliberately executing an unarmed black teenager who was just walking down the street continues their race touble propaganda, distracts from the much more serious issues of the day, and they hope will give them political cover for the fall election.
This Ferguson narrative also has no basis whatsoever in the truth.
Eyewitness accounts make plain that:
1) Michael Brown profaned a police officer who at first simply asked him to get out of the middle of the street.
2) Micael Brown refused to follow a lawful police instruction to get out of the middle of the street.
3) Michael Brown assaulted the police officer when he returned to question Brown (apparently after hearing of a robbery that had just occurred over the radio in his car), striking him several times in the face, attempting to the get the officer's weapon in the process.
4) Michael Brown ran from the police car after assaulting the officer.
5) Michael Brown turned around and taunted the police officer when that officer gave chase and told him to stop.
6) Michael Brown then charged the police officer.
7) Michael Brown was killed by gunfire from the police officer as he charged that officer, Darren Wilson.
The police incident report agrees with this sequence of events.
Conversation from two bystanders discussing what happened on a YouTube video agrees with this sequence of events.
Other eyewitnesses agree with this sequence of events.
The medical report on the officer indicates he was severely beaten about the face and head...beaten almost unconscious...and sustained a fractured orbital bone to his left eye.
I believe that forensics and ballistics will prove this sequence of events.
Michael Brown was a large, very powerfully built and strong young man who was also a violent criminal and thug. He had in fact strong-arm robbed a store minutes before this confrontation. (there is a surveillance video of him doing so).
This officer, Darren Wilson, was actually heroic in his actions.
After significant injury to himself, and at moral peril to himself, he confronted a violent criminal and attempted to do his duty and apprehend the criminal. He then had to defend his life against the criminal and shoot him.
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God's speed to you my friend.
I applaud those protestors, whom I have pics and videos of, who have stood between violent agitators and police, and worked hard to prevent violence. Some of those protestors themselves ave been injured by the agitators.
I also pray that further violence can be avoided while an impartial investigation, not tainted by politics or agendas can be completed and appropriate action taken.
I have friends and family who asked me about this so I have done some serious research the last few days, including contacting people I know in St. Louis in law enforcement. I then wrote this to my family and friends:
--------------------
The left, the race batters, and this administration want a particular narrative about Ferguson, and they have a willing and abetting media to help make it happen and maintain it.
Simply put...that's why this incident is lasting so long in the media.
This Ferguson narrative of a white cop deliberately executing an unarmed black teenager who was just walking down the street continues their race touble propaganda, distracts from the much more serious issues of the day, and they hope will give them political cover for the fall election.
This Ferguson narrative also has no basis whatsoever in the truth.
Eyewitness accounts make plain that:
1) Michael Brown profaned a police officer who at first simply asked him to get out of the middle of the street.
2) Micael Brown refused to follow a lawful police instruction to get out of the middle of the street.
3) Michael Brown assaulted the police officer when he returned to question Brown (apparently after hearing of a robbery that had just occurred over the radio in his car), striking him several times in the face, attempting to the get the officer's weapon in the process.
4) Michael Brown ran from the police car after assaulting the officer.
5) Michael Brown turned around and taunted the police officer when that officer gave chase and told him to stop.
6) Michael Brown then charged the police officer.
7) Michael Brown was killed by gunfire from the police officer as he charged that officer, Darren Wilson.
The police incident report agrees with this sequence of events.
Conversation from two bystanders discussing what happened on a YouTube video agrees with this sequence of events.
Other eyewitnesses agree with this sequence of events.
The medical report on the officer indicates he was severely beaten about the face and head...beaten almost unconscious...and sustained a fractured orbital bone to his left eye.
I believe that forensics and ballistics will prove this sequence of events.
Michael Brown was a large, very powerfully built and strong young man who was also a violent criminal and thug. He had in fact strong-arm robbed a store minutes before this confrontation. (there is a surveillance video of him doing so).
This officer, Darren Wilson, was actually heroic in his actions.
After significant injury to himself, and at moral peril to himself, he confronted a violent criminal and attempted to do his duty and apprehend the criminal. He then had to defend his life against the criminal and shoot him.
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God's speed to you my friend.
I applaud those protestors, whom I have pics and videos of, who have stood between violent agitators and police, and worked hard to prevent violence. Some of those protestors themselves ave been injured by the agitators.
I also pray that further violence can be avoided while an impartial investigation, not tainted by politics or agendas can be completed and appropriate action taken.
Jeff & Popeye thank you very much for your posts which are for an outsider very informative.
On a different note the Japanese guy who met a sorry fate in Syria was one heck of a wired dude. And fighting someone else’s war is not ones business, it is also not some sort of hunting trip or safari.
A note on reasons for editing: it just struck me that I wrote “mate a sorry fate” when in fact it should have been “met a sorry fate”. To mate the fate would be an interesting experience
That is just one of the tricks a foreign language can pull on you.
On a different note the Japanese guy who met a sorry fate in Syria was one heck of a wired dude. And fighting someone else’s war is not ones business, it is also not some sort of hunting trip or safari.
A note on reasons for editing: it just struck me that I wrote “mate a sorry fate” when in fact it should have been “met a sorry fate”. To mate the fate would be an interesting experience
That is just one of the tricks a foreign language can pull on you.
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solarz
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Extremists everywhere are so narrow-minded that they cannot tolerate any opposing views.
shen
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the latest reports are he is not dead yet.
there is a small but vocal minority of Japanese who want Japan to return to its militant tradition. back in the 70's, romantic writer Mishima, his gay lover and other members of an ultra right-wing group led a raid Japanese army base. They wanted to topple the government and restore the power of the emperor. When that failed, Mishima committed seppuku.
today, Japanese ultra nationalist group regularly stage public demonstrations that glory Japanese actions during WWII, which would as that Germany tourist said, would be illegal in Germany. The silent majority of Japanese people can't seem to stand up to these extremists.
SouthernSky
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The man is an utter moron and a complete embarrassment to our country.
TerraN_EmpirE
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Not the first not the last either. History is filled with cases of individuals either ideologically or financially motivated to join conflicts there nation is officially not party to. Isis is made out of vast numbers of such, as are both sides of the Ukraine conflict. Che Guevara for example was not Cuban but he joined under Castro. The French Foreign Legion is made up specifically to gather such to French forces. The Spanish Civil war was faught widely using volunteers from from the US to the USSR.
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