why russia & china used veto(objected) in burma freedom& HR affairs...?

These3 countries ( Russia,China,South Africa),those countries objected & Used veto in security council(UN) for burmese democracy & freedom.US And Eu submitted burmese affair to be discussed & put into Agenda of Security council.
Because of Veto used in UN security council,
Russia get billion$ via selling military hardwares(T72MBT,TorM-1 sams+many SAMs,mig29,MI-17,give trannings military personals(300persons/year),get licence of offshore oil& gas plots in bangla bay.
China ,they sold out old and poor condition, used Aircraft,tanks,howizers to trucks like garbage...they get $ via selling military garbage,if china could not sold out these old weapons,they have to use $ to cleanning this military garbage.They also expected to get oil&gas by butter exchange...giving old weapons and getting precious natural resources(Oil,Gas,Teak wood,jade,etc..)
but I don,t know why s-africa objected like russia and china...
Russia and china,they never help to burmese peoples in the past history..they always try to get burma natural resourses and disturb burma development.
Russia and china these 2 countries sell weapons to terrorists and diatators.Putin is also a diatator and billioners(he stolen and corrupted ).
China leaders,they are also getting $ from Norinco(Tanks,artillery,weapons manufaturere(its shares own by china leaders),Haier electrical & electronic coporation also own by politbureau members)...
even,they need all from Burma,they must keep their role as nice and developed countries...
burmese ppls hate these 2 countries and in the future they will be effected by the burmese ppls elected goverment.

COLzaw68, Please use correct English(your best) when posting. Do not use internet slang. This is not a teen ager forum.

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I am disappointed that they used a veto. Ok, maybe they thought it was in their interests to do so. But that just gives the other three an excuse to veto any resolutions they might come up with the future. Also Burma is such a basket-case. Political reform would serve it well and make it a better trading partner. It's a bit short-sighted to keep the junta in power. Also it's not as if the resolution would have changed much - if they had lost anything it would have been minimal. Or is the price of their friendship with countries like Burma that their UNSC vetoes come under the control of those governments?

The rationale is simple. Security Council is an inappropriate forum for discussing human right violations; that is the function of UN Human Rights Council, previously UN Commission on Human Rights. Myanmar does not pose a security threat to anyone in the region.

I think the veto is China and Russia forcing US to fully work within the UN system. Due to the overall anti-UN sentiment in US government, US is currently NOT a member of the UN Human Rights Council because a great many people in US shunned UN. Therefore US has to bring a resolution in Security Council in order to condemn HR abuses.

Of course, nobody is going to pick a fight with US over some minor resolution. But China and Russia, by vetoing a minor resolution, minimizes the diplomatic and political damage and yet sends a clear message to US: "Work within the UN framework, join the UN Human Right Council if you want to discuss HR matters." China and Russia won't let the UN institution be undermined simply because it no longer suits US' interest.

Dear Moderaters and friends,
I,m sorry and apologised for my english as english is 2nd language in our place.
I tergeted to the 2veto users(Russia & China)...in my last thread.they are selfish and always stand at their pupets goverments.
Myanmar is not effected to the local security,it is absolutely correct.
Myanmar goverment can control law & order to less crime,In Yangon ,crime like,robbery,looting,killing to rape these things can not be seen or heard.
My friends from Srilanka,germany,malasian and Thai , they talk to me burma is safe to travel without any dangerous thing done by the burmese people.
you can bring money with 50Kg Bags in crouded road,if you carry like that in KL or Silom,you will be looted and you can not do nothing.But foreigners can not do anything in burmese politics.(Danger)
But Junta must work for the people and not targeted or build to mighty military nation,ego not used alot of $ ,Billions for buying the military hardwares and use $ for infra stryctures(Road,hospitals,electricity and basic
need).People will support Junta,most of the burmese people are buddists and they don,t want to revenge,they are kindly to the people ,even enemy.
Exampleeoples are talking about General Khin Nyunt fall that Gen-khin nyunt was a good man and he is a workaholic ,etc. (Gen- Khin Nyunt former prime minister & military intelligence chief).He ordered to arrest many political prisoners and tortured in prison).
I believed that SPDC(Junta) must negotiate with Opposition and ethinic insurgents group.Now SPDC can remove easily all insurgents by russian and china,india,ukraine weapons.but killing each others is can not be created peaceful& developed contry,build trusty among SPDC vs oppositions and respect each others can save myanmar(burma).
Geopolitic also effected to burma political development even how geopolitic effected on Burma,Burmese people and armed forces leader to all soldiers must be united.It is the real solution of the problem. UNSC or UNHCR don.t need to discuss or argue for burma affairs,using veto,etc.
conclusion: I pray and hope for the best (Junta and opposition understand each others and working together and build a peaceful nation for our young generation without any troobles.Myanmar is still virgin for the tourists and natural resorces and evergreen trees lovers.........thanks
In the military forum,we must discuss politics because military and business depends on politics....IF you stay inside Burma as Burmese citizen you will understand why I explain about feeling of burmese or current political situration.


I Have a question to Moderators,If my english is poor but I try my best and it is not reliable for this forum,I,ll never visit again ,let them discuss only good english peoples (UK,USA,AUSSIE,HK,SIN and english native speakers).
I also allow to repair or correction for my poor english to ur good english.....

Nothing to do with your english, mine isent golden either...
I raised the concern over this topics clear political factor and its slim relevance towards this forums main idea, general chinese military issues. This isent genera forum where everything goes.

COLzaw68 said:

UNSC or UNHCR don.t need to discuss or argue for burma affairs,using veto,etc.

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I'm kinda confused here. I thought you wanted that resolution to pass.

Anyways, I don't think oil is the main reason. Russia itself is a huge oil exporter, and Burma is not a significant source of oil for China either.

For China, the major reason is that it believes it is Burma's internal affair and other countries should not interfere with it:

Calling it an interference in Myanmar's internal affairs, China's U.N. Ambassador Wang Guangya told the council minutes before a vote: "China, therefore cannot but vote against the draft resolution before us."
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I think the same is true for Russia.

panzerkom said:

Burma is not a significant source of oil for China either.

For China, the major reason is that it believes it is Burma's internal affair and other countries should not interfere with it

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Burma does, however, provide China with a heap of different resources - so there is an economic issue there.

Also the UN was set up in a different era. The Cold War is over, so the organisation needs to progress to stay relevant. The UNSC needs to move with the times, given only it can issue sanctions.

Also it is short-sighted to say that there is no concern over security with Burma. China said exactly the same thing over Darfur/Sudan, and look at how the violence has spilled over the border. You can't wait until a problem happens, you need to pre-empt it.

I think there are two main reason the China vetoed the resolution

1: it would be highly hypocritical for China to censur another countries over Democracy. China itself isnt posterboy for liberal democracy, and it would go against it policy of non-interference.

2: it have to show itself to third world country as a credible power that doesnt easily cave into American pressure.

I dont think resources that Burmar provide is that big of a deal. I am from Yunnan, the part of China that borders Burmar. Trade between the two region has actually declined recently, and border has been tightened up. Beside, vetoing or not, China will still exploit Burma's resource since no one else will do buisness with it. Also, much of the border region are control by warlords, some from are chinese from Yunnan who goes there with guns and men and delcare themselves 'King of the Hill'

Militarily/Geographically speaking, China would not want a bunch of UN-US led- officers (Any US soldier of any type.) on its border either.