I'm not quite sure when excatly i run into the website, it was before armytime, i was just getting newly intressed of chinese military after chewing soviet military out... (first time when china-bug bit me the dingfengs site propaply didn't exist...huitongs site was i remeber Jiangwei II where the newest things...) exspesially those new DDGs got my eye...i wandered from Sinodefence to the pakistandefenceforum (our forum didn't exist at that time) but that proven out to be a mistake, i almoust completely lost all of my interest and respect towards anything chinese (or pakistanese)...but after army the forum was formed and althoug i didn't join right in (the bad memoryes from my previous forumexperience still haunted me) but some artillery discussion was going on and i just couldn't stay out....