What is this ? Next-gen Fighter for PLAAF ??

MIGleader

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BrotherofSnake said:
You can mount 8 AMRAAMs underneath the Raptor's wings with 4 external harpoints, so that gives the Raptor 14 more than missiles.

no u cant. the hard points actually have to be welded on first. and that kills the raptors stealth, supercruise, and manuverability.

Su-27 Pilot said:
Can you post a complete specs about a comparison chart betweeen the Su-27s and the Su-37s.

ah, there not much different.
the su-37 feature ths al-31fn 3-d thrust vector rather than the regular al-31. it has canards, an improved zhuk radar(100km range), and a way more advanced avionics suite.
 
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Knarfo

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crazyinsane105 said:
The Su-37's can carry about 14 AAM with 8000kg of ground ordanance. This means that the Terminator can carry MUCH MORE than the Raptor and if 3-D TVC engines are installed, it can give the Raptor one hell of a fight (in a dogfight, in BVR the Terminator will go down).

and just what do you think all that ordenance will do to preformance. speed, range, agility???
 

EternalVigil

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Supercruise is to increase range and to have less IR than afterburners. The speed of an F22 with full afterburners on is still classified.
 

crazyinsane105

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Knarfo said:
and just what do you think all that ordenance will do to preformance. speed, range, agility???

That is why if an Su-37 is fully loaded and is on a strike mission, it should always have two interceptors ready to protect it.
 

IDonT

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crazyinsane105 said:
That is why if an Su-37 is fully loaded and is on a strike mission, it should always have two interceptors ready to protect it.


Carrying 14 AAM missiles has got to degrade performance. I mean the weight and drag alone on those missiles will be great.
 

walter

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tphuang said:
There were whispers that EF2000 managed to detect F-22 from 80KM out or something like that.

that is hard to believe. have they even met each other? Both types are undergoing operational evaluation in their respective countries--to my knowledge neither the f-22 or typhoon have crossed the atlantic.

Just a thought on the F-22

I would have to believe that the F-22 has to be the most overated fighter that i have ever seen. Some of its key features are in real terms useless in the real world. I think that way too much money has been spent on a fighter that really only does one thing well, but not well enough to even remotelly justify its cost. Let me explain

Supercruise
Has it ever occured to anyone that an aircraft that claims to be 'stealth' would find it useless to cruise along at supersonic speeds... The reason for this is that a supersonic fighter, regardless of its stealth capability makes a pretty bloddy big impression when its breaking the sound barrier. In real terms supercruise would only ever be used in training and in the manufactureres pamphlets. In the real world it would operate subsonically like most aircraft and only resort to supersonic speeds to either get into or out of action in a hurry.

Stealth Ability
The problem with stealth fighters is that they are designed to not return radar reflections from below them (i.e. ground based radars). This is all well and good when fighting against a 3rd world force such as Iraq or the like, but against a powerful country equipped with AWACS then its not always guaranteed that the powerfull radars will be beneath your aircraft. As well as this the Mig-29 and Su-27/30/32/34/35/37 etc. range of aircraft are fitted with powerfull IRST systems which allow them to search for infa-red signals out to 120km's... no matter how stealthy a plane is it will ALWAYS be hotter than the surrounding athmosphere, therefore it will be in just as much danger against a plane fitted with an AA-11/IRST combination as a J7 or a mig-19 for that matter...

actually, it would be in more trouble than a J7 or a mig-19 because an F-22 CANNOT manouver on par with either a lightweight fighter nor a supermanuevarable russian/chinese sukhoi. It is the same style of fighter as a Mig-31, an F-15 and a Tornado ADV, It is a large heavy advanced fighter designed to kill at long range, not to mix it in with the lighweights, a lesson learned in Vietnam by the American Phantom pilots.

So before we all go on about this aircraft like it is god-with-wings lets consider how truly effective its so called advantages are.

Oh... one last thing... the Russians used the paramaters and information about the stealth shootdown in its latest S-300PMU software packages... The same S-300PMU sold to China... Russians are neither dumb or slow, they have NEVER been beaten in a war in the last 200 years ( a real war... not afghanistan or the WW1 debacle where they had one gun per 3/4 men)

someone already adressed the supercruise issue--it is a plus no matter how you look at it, and nobody claimed it would continuosly operate in supercruise.

as to stealth, it is true the RCS is minimal from infront of and below the plane, but the F-22's signature is tiny no matter what angle you look at it from. besides that, which AWACS operate above 50000 ft.? The F-22 will be operating from these altitudes, so no AWACS would likely ever be above it.

Maybe some people do overrate it, but it is still light years ahead of anything else. It's only true drawback in my eyes is price.
 

MIGleader

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IDonT said:
Carrying 14 AAM missiles has got to degrade performance. I mean the weight and drag alone on those missiles will be great.

chinese flankers carry standard 4 alamos and 2 archers.
thats only six missles

the extra pylons on the su-35 are meant to handle atg munitions, in which the fighter would be escorted.

if the f-22 flys at 50000 feet, then theirs no point in worrying about it. it cant use a jdam from suich a height, and if you dont dsend fighters after it, you lose nothing. the f-22 can be still targeted by sams.
 

tphuang

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walter said:
that is hard to believe. have they even met each other? Both types are undergoing operational evaluation in their respective countries--to my knowledge neither the f-22 or typhoon have crossed the atlantic.
Eurofighter has crossed the atlantic numerous times. It has been flown by American pilots. Last year, Eurofighter defeated 2 F-15Es in a mock fight I guess.

I'm not saying F-22 isn't great, but that typhoon is very very good. Even the only guy who flown both F-22 and typhoon has said so.
 

sino52C

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Second drawback of F-22: the US is purchasing 200 of them.

Tyhpoons may be a better plane to fly since it has a more traditional design as opposed to the F-22, which will be radically different than anything else. Some things in the F-22 has to be sacrifised, such as a more limited internal weapons stowage.
 

EternalVigil

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Considering that the RAF already fly in formation with the F-22 and F-15 sqaudrons, the US doesnt have to worry about the ET(eurofighter typhoon). The F22 is a better plane for air dominance but the ET is the second best plane on the planet right now. Imagine a USAF F22 wing and a RAF ET wing attacking. Would be painful to the person on the buisness end. I think I already posted a photo I took at Nellis AFB with the F22 and a RAF ET on the same runway getting ready to train together. I reposted the link for people who havent seen it.


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