what do you guys think of the new Afghan strategy?

Infra_Man99

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Opium cultivation was always a central part of the Afghan economy due to the paucity of other viable crops, war or no war.

Can I have your sources of the rate of Afghani opium and drug productions before and after the modern war? Please show ancient era, feudal era, and modern era.

My sources tell me Afghanistan, from ancient times to modern eras, was NOT a major source of drugs or was not heavily dependent on drug production, but I've been wrong before. Today's drug dependence is a rarity in Afghani history.

Here are only two modern sources out of many that claimed the Muslim extremists/Taliban was effectively wiping out Opium production in the years leading up to the US-Allied military invasion:

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The Afghani people have been capable of raising various crops (read: noncontroversial plants) and livestock to take care of themselves. They have a difficult challenge, but they have been doing so since ancient times, if not earlier.

My historical understanding of Afghanistan is that the nation only used drugs to gather large funds during modern times. Somehow, the modern Afghani people learned outsiders around the world were extremely willing to pay loads of money for drugs, and the Afghani somehow figured out how to mass produce and sell the drugs to outsiders. This is a modern phenomena, NOT a historical event. The Taliban initially sold drugs to foreigners to fund themselves and defeat the other warlords, but the Taliban and other Warlords began to question the usage and sale of drugs. The result was the effective minimization of drug production in Afghanistan. Drugs are against their religion.

Islam is anti-drugs. Historically, Islam has done a better job of minimizing (but not wiping out) the consumption of alcohol and other drugs than Judaism and Christianity. I don't meet many Muslims, but I have met some throughout my life, and NONE of them drink alcohol or use recreational drugs. They avoid them like poison. They strongly believe recreational drugs leads to spiritual and moral decline (and I agree).

The only exception is smoking tobacco. Muslims don't seem to have a problem with tobacco, but even then, they don't abuse the stuff. I know there have been Muslim druggies and Muslims who use drugs, but I am talking about the whole population across history. As a group, they have been very anti-drugs.

With the Muslim extremists busy fighting for control after the US-Allied invasion, Afghani drug producers have been able to restart their drug trade. Unfortunately, US-Allied assistance to Afghanis have helped a broad range of Afghanis, and that includes Afghani drug producers. US-Allied forces even protect some Afghani drug producers, because they claim they don't want unemployment problems in Afghanistan. Strangely enough, the US is a large consumer of opium and other drugs.
 
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bladerunner

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My apologies, I should have been more specific I was referring to the Modern Era From the Soviet Days to the present. The period of Taliban rule 1994-2001 being the peaceful era if one can call it such. Although opium growing was inniatially reduced, it started to increase again, because of paucity of options for the poorand to really accelerate post American lead invasion.

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EDit. I also had canabis in the back of my mind, as a crop grown for domestic consumption.
 
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Mr T

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Opium cultivation was always a central part of the Afghan economy due to the paucity of other viable crops, war or no war.

The problem is not there there's a paucity of other viable crops, it's that Afghanistan has lacked the infrastructure to get them to market quick enough. With a better road network those other crops can be sold in time such that farmers will move away from opium.
 

bladerunner

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The problem is not there there's a paucity of other viable crops, it's that Afghanistan has lacked the infrastructure to get them to market quick enough. With a better road network those other crops can be sold in time such that farmers will move away from opium.

You make a valid point, but were the roads connecting villages to the bigger towns and cities any better, prior to the Soviet occupation period, when opium cultivation, wasnt a major crop?
 

pla101prc

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The problem is not there there's a paucity of other viable crops, it's that Afghanistan has lacked the infrastructure to get them to market quick enough. With a better road network those other crops can be sold in time such that farmers will move away from opium.

good point, but you need a centralized and effective government to get that road system contruction started. it sure would create a lot of jobs though.
 

bladerunner

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How many members here think Nato and America have the stickability to see this thing through, or are they as had been suggested looking for a way out as soon as possible, mission accomplished or otherwise?
 

pla101prc

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obama is prolly just lookin for an exit strategy, leave the burden with pakistan and Russia and get the hell out. these countries are just as concerned about a-stan stability as the US.
 

crobato

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If the Afghanistan problem buck is passed, its more than just Pakistan's and Russia's, but India and China will also be affected.
 

SampanViking

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As some of you may be aware, I have been posting at length since July about the contest between the US/NATO and SCO/CSTO for domination of Central Asia.

I think it is now safe to assume that Obama has recognised that the US will always be a strategic disadvantage in Afghanistan and that any broad Geopolitical gains will come at a too high a price and only sacrifice other US interests in theatres where they would otherwise still enjoy an advantage.

Reading the official releases from the region, it is clear that Moscow and Beijing have had a strong hand in setting the surge agenda and that their own policies for the region for 2011 and beyond and now running in tandam with Obama's exit strategy.

Last weeks statement from the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs puts this as plainly as it has been expressed anywhere and also; most satisfyingly summarises the main points I have been arguing for months.

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The solution of all these tasks requires the broadest possible international cooperation under UN auspices. A positive role is also to be played by the states of the region, as well as organizations operating there, especially the SCO and the CSTO, in whose framework the concrete plans of counter-terrorism and anti-drug action on the outer perimeter of the Afghan border, and the measures to assist the development of that country have been worked out and are being implemented.
 
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