Western Civilian and Military Aircraft Development

sumdud

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There are very beautiful.

And strong vortices coming from the props, this plane should be excellent at STOL. (Has to, those are third most powerful turboprops in the world.)

They cost a lot of pork though, not much short of a C-17. I don't think China should buy it. PLAAF doesn't have enough transports in general, not just heavy lifters. Since China already has Il-76s on order and is working on an indigenous heavy lifter, I think they should for the time being produce more Y-8s.

How will the An-70 perform against this plane, however? Shorter runs? How about the engines?
 

rhino123

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I don't think China should buy it. PLAAF doesn't have enough transports in general, not just heavy lifters. Since China already has Il-76s on order and is working on an indigenous heavy lifter, I think they should for the time being produce more Y-8s.

If there is an agreement in technology transfer and/or license building of the A400, then perhaps China could consider buying this plane. The technology transfer will certainly help to speed up China's own heavy lifter's developement. But I doubt that this dream will ever be realise because of the arms embargoment thingy that are still in place.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Re: Airbus A400M now Airborne!!

I can dream can't I:confused::D..whoa! I've been in Chinese forums too long!

On a side note the new Boeing 787 flew for the first time today but like the A400 two years behind schedule..:rolleyes:
Well your dreaming of that I'll dream of a Joint heavy lift, Karem Aircraft TR 75 Tilt rotor with a 36 ton capacity outfitted with a 105 cannon, 57mm cannon and a 30mm Gatling gun ... but that won't be till at least 2018.
 

bd popeye

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Photos taken on December 17, 2009 in Marignane, shows the new helicopter EC175 of Eurocopter, a subsidiary company of global aerospace and defence company EADS, manufactured in cooperation with Aviation Industry Corp of China (AVIC). A versatile fully equipped civil helicopter, the EC175 is primarily designed for two main missions: Oil&Gas crew change and Search & Rescue. But it is also perfectly capable of other roles: para-public, homeland security, police, Emergency Medical Services and corporate or VIP transport. AFP PHOTO ANNE-CHRISTINE POUJOULAT (Photo credit should read ANNE-CHRISTINE POUJOULAT/AFP/Getty Images)
 

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Airbus marks delivery of 6,000th plane

Jan 18, 2010, 17:04 GMT

Hamburg - Airbus, the European jet plane company, delivered on Monday the 6,000th aircraft it has made to the airline Emirates.

Adel al-Redha, deputy chief executive of Emirates, picked up the giant A-380 plane in the German city of Hamburg. His Dubai-based company has ordered 58 of the big, two-level jets, the world's largest airliner.

Airbus said it was the 25th overall of the A-380 series to be completed and the eighth for Emirates.

Tom Enders, Airbus chief executive, said the planemaker aimed to ramp up output of the huge planes to 20 aircraft this year. The A-380 was dogged by delays, mainly in finding an efficient way to install customized electrical wiring in each aircraft.

Enders said Airbus would be laying off 1,000 workers with temporary contracts to help with A-380 production in Hamburg.

'They were hired for the period when we were in great difficulty and needed extra manpower,' he said, saying their dismissal proved the A-380 programme was running smoothly at last.

Including all its smaller jets, Airbus now currently manufactures about 500 aircraft annually

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Airbus snagged more orders in '09, but Boeing netted more cash

Dominic Gates - Seattle Times - Sunday, January 17, 2010

SEATTLE — SEATTLE — Airbus topped Boeing both in the number of planes produced and in the total of new orders last year, but the U.S. company prevailed in perhaps the most important tally: the actual money received for airplanes delivered to customers.

Whether calculated on list prices or on more realistic data using standard sales discounts, Boeing’s deliveries were worth about $4 billion more than Airbus’s.

Airbus said last week that it won 271 net orders versus Boeing’s 142, and delivered a company record 498 airplanes compared to Boeing’s 481.

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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
This one was a news story that seems too have slipped though the Radar seems that the helo race is heating up.
AUSA Aviation 2010: US Army Special Operations hunt for new aircraft

January 08, 2010

The United States Army Special Operations Command is looking at a range of helicopter technologies as it searches for a new aircraft with the speed and range capabilities suitable for operations in Afghanistan.

Speaking at the Association of the US Army's Army Aviation Symposium in Washington DC on 6 January, Colonel Clayton Hutmacher, commander of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne), said the non-linear nature of operations in Afghanistan had brought range and speed considerations to the fore.

“Basing is a big problem for us – trying to get close enough to that target to be able to action it so we are looking to go farther, faster and carry more stuff,” Col Hutmacher said.

“We are looking for something that can range targets across the width and depth of the battlefield. If you look at the fight in Afghanistan, and the fight in Iraq, it’s a non-linear battlefield. So that speed and range are very important when you are dealing with non-state actors and fleeting targets.”

Col Hutmacher said while he was “not in love” with a particular airframe or technology, the Piasecki X-49A SpeedHawk and Sikorsky X-2 were two airframes that Special Operations Command considered “may be the way of the future” to meet such requirements.

“We are very interested in partnering with the conventional force in trying to find a common airframe because quite frankly we can’t do it otherwise – we don’t have the funding for it. Speed and range are essential, I know they are for us, and I suspect they are for conventional aviation as well for their scout attack fleet.”

Col Hutmacher said while the performance of the Bell/Boeing V-22 Osprey tiltrotor made it suitable for some “real world targets”, it did not have the desired hot and high performance, especially at altitudes higher than 4000 ft.

“Right now I think there is some limitations with the V-22 and I am not convinced that is one of the things we should pursue. One of the things that the co-axle system on the X-2 gives is extremely capable performance on that aircraft, because of the twin rotors. … While I do think the V-22 has breeched an important barrier in terms of speed, I think we can improve on that by pursuing other technologies.”

Col Hutmacher said Special Operations Command was also “aggressively pursuing” a new hostile fire indicator (HFI) for its rotary fleet. Small arms and rocket propelled grenades (RPGs) rather than guided munitions were proving to be the main threat to rotary assets in Afghanistan, both for special operations forces and conventional army aviation.

“We actioned a target recently where we had a flight of three 47s conducting a mission and during infiltration and exfiltration they had 42 RPGs shot at the aircraft. In a 60 second infil and a 60 second exfil they were all Winchester – they came out of there and they had expended 80,000 rounds on that threat. So we are looking for that HFI system to put on our aircraft.”
The X2 demonstrator was neat a Compound Coaxial configuration, Could kick but as a Transport and really put on the hurt as a gunship.
 

Scratch

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Some more news on international aviation:

The initial flight test program of the 787 seems to go ahead well so far.

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Boeing: 787 Passes Initial Airworthiness Testing

EVERETT, Wash. January 15, 2010 (AP)

Boeing Co. says it has completed initial airworthiness tests on its new 787 jetliner, which means the planes can now fly with flight test engineers in their cabins.

Boeing said Friday that the two test planes have completed 15 flights to check out aircraft systems, performance, stability and handling. In the next phase of the testing, engineers will fly along to conduct detailed tests. The successful initial flights also will allow more planes to enter the flight test program.

The first 787s have been flown to an altitude of 30,000 feet and at about three-quarters of their cruising speed. Boeing says that in the coming weeks, the aircraft will be taken to more than 40,000 feet and up to full cruising speed.

Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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Chinese Airbus partners get some work on the new A350

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Airbus China composites JV to supply elevators for A350 XWB

Harbin Hafei Airbus Composite Manufacturing Centre, a joint venture between Airbus (Toulouse, France) and Chinese partners, has signed a contract for the work package of A350 XWB elevators with Aernnova Aerospace SAU (ANN, Vitoria, Spain), a major supplier of aerostructures to Airbus.

Under the contract, the Manufacturing Centre will become the sole supplier of A350 XWB elevators to ANN. The Manufacturing Centre is responsible for both manufacturing and assembling the complete set of elevators, mostly made of composites, and which are part of the A350's horizontal tail plane. Production in China is expected to start in 2012 after an initial industrialisation phase in Europe.

Following the agreement for the A350 rudder and A350 S19 maintenance door, the A350 XWB elevator is the third A350 work package allocated to the Manufacturing Centre. It is also the largest A350 XWB component allocation contracted in China to date and is a significant part of the 5 percent of the A350 airframe to be manufactured in China.

"We are very proud to have obtained another work package from Airbus for the A350 XWB program and to start cooperation with Aernnova," said Liu Guanglin, chairman of the Manufacturing Centre. "The building of the new facilities is on track and the training of Chinese staff is underway. We are confident in our ability to deliver the aircraft components on time and on quality."

Harbin Hafei Airbus Composite Manufacturing Centre Co. Ltd. is a joint venture between Airbus China (20 percent) and a group of Chinese partners comprising Harbin Aircraft Industry Group Corp. Ltd. (50 percent), Hafei Aviation Industry Co. Ltd. (10 percent), AviChina Industry & Technology Co. Ltd. (10 percent) and Harbin Development Zone Infrastructure Development Co. Ltd. (10 percent).
 
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The new Boeing 747-8 Freighter first flight is scheduled for tomorrow.

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SEATTLE – Boeing Co.'s giant 747-8 freighter should make its first flight Monday after performing well on taxi tests and reaching a top speed of about 103.5 mph, the company said.

At 250 feet long, the plane is the largest Boeing has ever built and about 18 feet longer than the existing 747-400 jumbo jet. The company conducted taxi tests on the freighter Saturday at Paine Field in Everett, north of Seattle.

"Based on early indications, the airplane is ready to fly," said Mo Yahyavi, the 747 program's vice president and general manager.

Boeing also is developing a passenger version of the plane. It lists 76 orders for the freighter and 32 for the 747-8 passenger jet, with the vast majority from international customers.

The company says the jets will be much quieter, more fuel efficient and have lower emissions than current 747-400 models.

Boeing launched the freighter program on Nov. 14, 2005, with firm orders for 10 planes from Cargolux of Luxembourg and eight from Nippon Cargo Airlines of Japan. The jet has a list price of more than $301 million, though airlines commonly negotiate discounts.

After completing the test program, the first freighter will be refitted and delivered to Cargolux.

Boeing's European rival Airbus had planned a freighter version of the Airbus A380, the world's largest passenger jet. However, that program was put on hold in 2005 after FedEx Corp. and UPS Inc. canceled their orders, leaving Airbus with an empty order book for the cargo plane.

The freighter version is to enter service late this year. The first delivery was to have been in late 2009 and the first passenger version in late 2010, but Boeing pushed back the dates due to design changes, limited engineering resources and an eight-week strike that shut down factories.

The 747-8 freighter and passenger jets are much smaller than their A380 counterparts, which Boeing has touted as an advantage. It says the planes will cost less to operate than A380s and will be able to serve more markets.

The 747-8 passenger version will carry up to 467 people in three classes, with a range of just under 7,000 miles. Boeing says assembly of that plane is to begin around mid-2010, with the first delivery in the fourth quarter of 2011.

Boeing said in October that it was recording a $1 billion charge because of delays in producing the new freighter.

Boeing also is in the midst of a flight test program for its new 787 passenger jet, which made its first flight in December, more than two years behind schedule.
 

Scratch

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The second A-400M is flying, at least it looks like they can start now with serious flight testing of those aircraft. And hopefully they won't find many more major problems.

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Second A400M joins flight-test programme

By Gareth Jennings - 12 April 2010

The second Airbus Military A400M military airlifter made its maiden flight from the company's Seville facility in Spain on 8 April. The flight lasted for four hours and 50 minutes.

The aircraft – MSN002 – departed with a take-off weight of 128 tonnes and five test crew on board. According to Airbus Military: "The aircraft and its four Europrop International TP-400D turboprop engines performed in line with expectations."

MSN001, which made its maiden flight on 11 December 2009, has so far accumulated approximately 67 flight hours (15 flights) and was recently moved from Seville to Toulouse in France following completion of the initial flight-test phase.

MSN002 is the second of an intended five-aircraft test fleet that will collectively conduct the 3,700-hour flight-test programme, leading to first delivery in late 2012. Like MSN001 it carries heavy flight-test instrumentation for its primary role as a powerplant testbed. MSN001 will continue to be used to test the aircraft and powerplant flight envelope, loads, flutter and general handling qualities.
 

Scratch

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The Boeing 787 is delayed again. This time it's a Rolls Royce engine required for a flight test this fall that has some technical issues.
After all those delays with different parts lately, I guess Boeing regrets it's decission to basicly outsource almost every aspect of building the plane.
The engine is something that will probably always come from an outside company. But so far Boeing has experianced multiple issues with suppliers of the dreamliner around the world. It might not be able anymore to really controll the construction process. And so Boeing has already started to buy back supplier companies it has outsourced in a move to bring the construction process back under it's fold again.

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Engine Problem Delays Delivery of Boeing’s Dreamliner

By CHRISTOPHER DREW and NICOLA CLARK - Published: August 27, 2010

The first of Boeing’s long-awaited 787 Dreamliner aircraft will not be delivered until next year, the company said Friday, adding to a string of problems that has delayed the project by more than two years.

Boeing cited the availability of a Rolls-Royce engine — needed for test flights this fall — as a reason for the delay.

The plane maker said the first Dreamliner would not be delivered until the middle of the first quarter of 2011. But several analysts said difficulties with other suppliers had already slowed the flight tests. They doubted that the first delivery, which had been scheduled for December, would occur before the second quarter.
 
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