Weapons And Tactics Of The 06 Middleast War

Looking at the casualty lists you my see that list is short only to IDF UFO shot down by hunting rifle... c’mon 3 ships, 120 tanks, 30 APC, 3 AH-64, F-16 etc.

Yes, Shahid seems to be very tilted towards the Hezbollah side which then is translated into his post by putting numbers that are not based on fact but more like "wishful" thinking. I believe around 30+ Merkava's have been hit with about 15 of these being destroyed with the rest being mission killed or just sustaining enough damage to put them out of action for a while.

I think statements like "Hezbollah's divine victory" only illustrates this "Baghdad bob" mentality which should probably be avoided in this thread given the prospect of a engagement between posters. That does not make SHAHIB a bad person.... just a little over zealous. I would love to converse more with him... I do think Israel has sustained more casualties than they thought they were going to suffer mainly from the anti tank weapons that Hizboullah has fielded. A "victory" by Hizboullah?? I think that will be argued for sometime. However I dont think this is over and we should see renewed fighting in the very near future.....cheers ute.

Utelore, you do realize that the phrases "Victory" were in "" quotes, therefore acknowledging that it's not a universal view, right?

Yes, I agree with Zergling, we have got to be kidding ourselves if this conflict did not lead to a re-appraisal of Israel's military prowess.

I guess this is like a Korean War scenario (on a much smaller scale). Technically it's a stalemate. But a stalemate between an underdog and a hyped up favorite is clear victory for the underdog.

hate to drift off topic and into this.....but I think it is the intent Shahib to express his stance on the political issue of this conflict by posting that information especially when the facts given are those of a very unreliable and tilted news outlet such as IRINN...... I mean come on guys,,, lets be realistic.

Anyway back to the weapons and tactics part of this. Has anybody seen any pics of a turret separated Merkava?? I have been looking but cant find....cheers ute.

In war, neither sides win. One just loses more than the other. We can only find out who really "won" a year from now. Will the Lebanese army and the UN actually try to put up a fight against Hezbullah? Will Hezbullah come back armed and equipped much better than before? Will the Lebanese government get kicked out in the next election and replaced by Hezbullah? What will Israel do now? Olmert and Bush is declaring victory...but Israeli military commaders are saying otherwise. As a matter of fact today, there were huge outbursts in the "victory speech" given by Olmert by the officials in Parliament today. So, who really won? In my opinion, it was just a huge waste of precious lives, buildings, ammunition, time, etc. Nothing was accomplished for any side. Except for Hezbullah's popularity soaring in the Muslim world and a bloody nose for the IDF, not a whole lot was really accomplished (unless you count the first two as big accomplishments). So yeah, I say within a year we will find out what happened and who really "won," whatever the hell that is supposed to mean...

Roger604 said:

Yes, I agree with Zergling, we have got to be kidding ourselves if this conflict did not lead to a re-appraisal of Israel's military prowess.

I guess this is like a Korean War scenario (on a much smaller scale). Technically it's a stalemate. But a stalemate between an underdog and a hyped up favorite is clear victory for the underdog.

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To me it actually wasn't a failure of Israel's weapon system themselves as much as piss poor battle planning and lousy ethics. Then again you could say that this could arguably be an indicator that Israel is incapable of singling out military targets. Either that or they simply were too lazy to, or decided that killing 10 times more civilians than soldiers would make them look badass. Was there much Israel could have done? (Assuming that the bombing campiagn was the only feasible strategy, which I doubt)

A "precision" 2000 pound LGB is still going to take down pretty much everything in the neighborhood. Sure it's more accurate than a dumb bomb but the blast radius is still tremendous. Against Hezbollah's tactics there's not much you can do except get more boots on the ground. So maybe Roger604 does indeed have a point. I'd say that Israel and the USA (as well as various other first world countries) are still geared towards second generation conventional warfare between entire countries, but the recent shift towards fourth generation warfare has left them out of their comfort zone, hence the apparent incompetence.

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Thank you for the above information, Isthvan. It is indeed true that small projectiles cannot be detected by anti-ballistic missile systems. The news report posted by me suggested that Israel may try the Patriot as a final option.

The following photos may be those of the Merkava tanks during this conflict :


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The following photo is that of a Merkava tank that has been destroyed in this conflict :


(Courtesy of JCage, Bharat-Rakshak forums).

Only the photo of destroyed Merkava is from this conflict… Tank was to damaged and since it could not be recovered destroyed by IDF… If Im not mistaken photo should be credited to AFP PHOTO/SAMUEL ARANDA…

RE: MTHEL anti-rocket laser weapon

A possible countermeasure against a laser weapon is to coat the rocket with a reflective material similiar to a mirror. It would probably be a 2-layer coatings, with the inner coatings made of mirror-like reflective layer, and an outer layer of olive drab paint for camouflage. Once the laser burns through the outer layer paint, it gets reflected from the reflective undercoating.:coffee: