War in Chechnya

Gollevainen

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I think that main proplem with Russia is that they dont know it themself, how to deal witht the current world. Sure they all know how to act bit bully, but in overal that sort of diplomacy doesent lead into anything good. The west needs Russia more as an enemy than partner in economics, becouse partnership in equal terms would need healthy economyes in russia and with its potential, capitalist russia migth look freightening, if its still eager to pursuite superpower status. In that propect we migth see Russia as ruler of the europe and EU cannot compite against such.
But offcourse its a wery distance illusion, with almoust no changes to come true. I have little doupt whatsoever how honest all western efforts to stabilize Russian economyes are. if there would be will for it in the European side, it would shown with better ways than letting former warsav pact/soviet brake-away states dictate EU's Russian policyes.

But i think Russians lacks will to achieve any consensuss with Eu as much as europeans. Wheter the political elite in there doesent understand international diplomacy and politics from non-superpower point of view or they simply doesent want to go in that way. Only thing thats certain is the uncertainity in any Russian foreing actions. It kinda seems that Moscow is like a child playing whit adult toys and play mates, it test and tryes out things as it has always done but doesent realize that its not allowed to act so any longer.

But with Russia its also to be noticed that the reach into asia isent just thing on the map. Russia has ability to search partners in the region, like china, with regional efforts only and it shouldnt be included as global ally network. There are other candinates as well, expecially the spreading leftist revolution in latin America, but Russia needs things to be cleared economically and politically before it can start play with 'adults'. And route to that goes, unfortuanetly trough more authoritan centralication. Putin knows this, and every possible way is taken consideration and it isent 'paranoid' power -complex BS that western media wants tocelebrate with. And soon as Russia has stable power once more, it can truelly exploid its potential as key holder of many, many important strategical raw-materials.

There china lacks the essential feature to domination over Russia. China hasent got oil or other fossilfuels to statisfy its needs, but Russia has and if Russia could field once again, stability, China cannot overhelm it as the ruler of the 'empire of the evil', Soviet heritage is still too great potential to Russia and china has long way to go to par with it, but this advantage isent forever and what ever choises are made, those should be taken in few years from now.
 

adeptitus

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Chechnya is a small place with only 1.1 million people. If the Russians want to hold on to it by military might, it's NOT difficult. The 1.29 million Russian military out-numbers the entire population of Chechnya. The reason why Russia lost the first Chechen war was because Yeltson only sent in 40,000 troops.

The Russians would not like to see an independent Chechnya dragging Dagestan and Ingushetia away.

Russia today does not face any serious external military threats. Relations between the PRC and Russia today is far better than what it was under the Soviet Union. However the most dire threat to Russia today, is internal population decline of the Russian ethnicity, through low birth rate and poor health.

The low Russian birth rate will result in loss of approx. 1 million Russians annually over the next half century, a reduction of 1/3rd of total Russian population today (from ~150 million to ~100 million). The Russian Ministry of Health's own statistics show that 60% of all Russian children are "unhealthy", and 50% of pregnant mothers under-nourished. The WHO's published stats show that the average Russian male life expectancy is 56.1 years.
 

INVISIBLE

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crazyinsane105 said:
the Chechens were regarded as heroes fighting off the evil Russians.

Я че то не врубаю, ты щас че написал? Про то что я думаю?? :nono: Тогда катись к чертям тупой америкос!! :mad:

Russians dont evil!!
We are at war against terrorists and you will not understand it!!
 

Gollevainen

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Lets all just stick to bad english and leave languages which no one else understand away. Thanks...
 

INVISIBLE

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это фото из чечни
 

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INVISIBLE

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Gollevainen said:
Lets all just stick to bad english and leave languages which no one else understand away. Thanks...

А мне плевать на английский! Русский язык - мировой язык!
Russian - world language!;)
 

Gollevainen

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You whis:p

But there is lots of translation services availble, so that you can write in russia and then translate it to englih so that rest of us would understand...
 

Red not Dead

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chea11.jpg


Back to the basics.
 

Cryptic

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But Chechenia will eventually end up to be independed. Like in all other occasion, the gurellia war cannot be won, expecially by such inneffective ways than Russians are rebelling it. Main fault from russian side is the usage of conscripts which has already coused political proplems in russia.

Back to the topic, the Russians are doing very well in the Second Chechen War. At its current level, the insurgency will not force the Russians out. Following their defeat in Chechen War I, the Russsians applied several lessons.

- Russians wait and let "victorious" Chechen crime bosses, religous fanatics and Arab Jihaders alienate the same Chechens that they "liberated".
- Then, trained troops with functioning equipment systematicaly clear low elevation areas first before the advance into Grozny. Any pockets resistance are identified and destroyed by massive firepower
- Russians make good use of Chechen allies. Some Chechen leaders change sides. Unlike Iraq, Chechneya appears to have a functioning local government supported by local security forces.
- Fragmented and desperate Chechen / Arab resistance uses terrorst tactics. These tactics alienate both Christian and Moslem ethnicites.
- Several attempts by Chechen terrorists to expand the Jihad into Daghestan and Ingustia end in total failure.

Sure, increasing smaller groups of Chechens will attack Russian and local security forces for years. Others will commit terrorst attacks. But there are no anti Russian armed groups operating in Daghestan, Ingustia etc. Chechen rebels cant destroy local Chechen government let alone drive out Russian Army. Russians and their allies have won.
 
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