video leak on YouTube of Chinese trawler incident.

Roger604

Senior Member
I see China mirroring Japan's actions. China is relieving its own pressure.

Japan was the first to patrol the disputed island. Now Japan is patrolling the disputed EEZ near the disputed island too. So China does the same thing....
 
In this forum, we have be seeing alot of finger pointing at the Japanese side. Forgive me from saying this (don't flame me later on), that we should not just be looking at the Chinese side and said that the sole faults lies with the Japanese.

As we are know and agreed upon that the water are disputed water, both China (and Taiwan) and Japan claimed it. So the Chinese are moving in the water as if it was theirs (to them, they are in their own turf). The Japanese are patrolling that area as if it was their territory too.

As far as I am concern and I believe was the same case as many of the forum mates here, we do not know the doctrine of the Japanese. It might be their usual practice or standard procedure to circle around the suspect ship or boat and/or cut infront of the boat to force a stop. in order for the coast guards to board the ship. So with this light, the Japanese CG couldn't be faulted.

The main thing here is we have to keep a open mind when viewing this incident. There is no plot or sinister happening here, it is a pure incident or accident. The Chinese thinks that they are in their own water minding their own business, but the Japanese thinks that the Chinese are invading into their territorial water and so the later incidents.

What was at play is nothing but pure politics. The trawler captain was capture and was to be charge using Japanese local law. However since the captain captured in disputed water whereby the Chinese also claimed, so China would never agreed to the fact that their people are captured in China homeground (local water) and taken to a foreign land and charge under the foreign rule. If China make no noise at all... it would only mean that they accept Diaoyutai as Japanese land and not Chinese.

Likewise, Japanese claim that Senkuko was Japanese and so their CG might just be following SOP that resulted in the collision, and it is perfectly normal for them to take the intruder back to be charged. if they didn't do it... they might be agreeing that they have no rights to these islands.

Agreed, I think it's pretty futile to try to figure out who is right or wrong with any particular incident involving disputed territory/borders. Even the status quo is not necessarily right or wrong, depending on which side's viewpoint. There are already mutually exclusive wider viewpoints, incidents of conflict exist within that context practically by definition.
 
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Spartan95

Junior Member
Looks like Beijing is serious about their "Peaceful Rise" and reiterating the need for peace and prosperity:

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China says "long-term friendship" only option for Sino-Japanese relations
English.news.cn 2010-12-15 20:52:58

BEIJING, Dec. 15 (Xinhua) -- A senior Chinese leader said Wednesday that "long-term friendship" was the only way for China and Japan to coexist, adding that disputes between the countries should be solved through dialogue and consultation.

Vice President Xi Jinping's remarks came during his meeting with a delegation from Japan's New Komeito party headed by its new chief Natsuo Yamaguchi, in the Great Hall of the People in Beijing.

"History already proved that cooperation with mutual benefit serves the fundamental interests of the two sides and developing the long-term friendship is the only option available for the two nations," said Xi.

The vice president called on the two sides to advance their strategic and reciprocal relations by carrying out the consensus reached between the two leaders in the four political documents.

The four political documents, namely the China-Japan joint statement on comprehensively advancing strategic and reciprocal relations, the Sino-Japanese Joint Statement, the China-Japan Treaty of Peace and Friendship and the Sino-Japanese Joint Declaration, serve as the bedrock for developing friendly and cooperative relations between the two countries.

China-Japan relations have been strained since a collision between two Japanese Coast Guard patrol ships and a Chinese trawler on Sept. 7 in waters off the Diaoyu Islands in the East China Sea.

China took countermeasures against Japan after Japan illegally detained the trawler's captain, halting bilateral exchanges at and above the provincial and ministerial levels and suspending talks on expanding aviation services between the two countries.

Xi spoke positively of the contribution that the New Komeito party had made in promoting China-Japan relations.

The vice president expressed his hope that the political party could continue to expand mutual understanding and trust and foster friendship between the two peoples.

Echoing Xi's views, Yamaguchi said the New Komeito party would further implement its friendly China policy.

The stable development of relations between Japan and China is conducive to maintaining peace and prosperity in the world, Yamaguchi said.

The New Komeito party delegation's China visit is at the invitation of the International Department of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China.

Editor: Fang Yang

Also, this event would signal the new phase of high level exchanges between the 2 countries that had previously been suspended following the Diaoyutai/Senkaku incident.
 

Red___Sword

Junior Member
Don't know how you guys manage to lasting this political issue so far and without "political claims" that the forum unhappy with.

The thing is, even people like me do not make political claims here, I guess you are all aware the water (the territory all along the Diaoyudao area) is claimed by China and japan govt as sovereignty dominion.

As long as it involves sovereignty, things of right and wrong is not that simple anymore. You don't suppose NYPD to bust bad guys at the Mexico city's street, right? Even "bust bad guys" is generally a GOOD thing, but the job done by NYPD at Mexico, is definately WRONG. (OK, USA and Mexico are close friends, let's assume police from Nigeria patroling at Mexico soil with arms and live rounds)

China don't bother whether it is the japanese police or navy doing the bust, (or patrol), it is simply WRONG AS HELL for anyone violating the sovereignty of mine. And japan thought the same. - Not even to mention that you really can tell the "collision" is intentionally done by japan ship, in a dangerous way.

It is like Kashmir, both side didn't go to war (right now) dose not means the problem is not there.

Currently, the year 2011, the Diaoyu Island is still "controled" by japanese armed forces (or "forces that armd", like coastal guard, please don't mind the title), and China "have bigger fish to fry" that spoil the time to take the Island back "under control" by force. I humbly remind you readers, that no matter current and future "exchange" between the two govt, it is NOT because of "who dose what" at this island, it is ALWAYS because other "bigger fish" at play.
 
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