video leak on YouTube of Chinese trawler incident.

Pointblank

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The Estai incident is different in that the concerned parties did not share territorial water in such proximity, just imagine what would happen if this was to become standard practice in the Diaoyu island region.

We are talking about disputed waters here, if everyone just goes in head strong and enforce their own claims then the situation would quickly deteriorate beyond repair.

It did set the precedent that ships that are nearby one's coastal waters operating in a manner that could affect that nation's resources could be subject to inspection and seizure.

But in any case, if I was a captain of a ship and a coast guard vessel came steaming over the horizon then demanded that they be allowed to board me, it is best not to interfere or try to run away. Let them have access, then later lawyer up...
 

facehugger

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How many people here even speak Chinese?

Have you guys seen the whole video? If you people havnt noticed, at the very beginning the Japanese coast guard ship was playing this tape of some Japanese trying to warn the fishing trawler, in really bad Chinese, to "leave Japanese territorial waters immediately". As if it was a fact. And thats about the only communication they attempted during the video - the next thing you see is the coast guard ships circling around the trawler like sharks and cutting infront of it to try and block its path. Without any warning whatsoever.

Now, I'm no naval expert but, is this kind of confusing behavior standard procedure for coast guards elsewhere? Or does this seem like totally irresponsible and dangerous behavior to anyone else? Would it be completely unreasonable to argue that the Jap coast guard was indeed trying to force an "accident" in a failed attempt to create an international scandal for China?
 
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rhino123

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How many people here even speak Chinese?

Have you guys seen the whole video? If you people havnt noticed, at the very beginning the Jap coast guard ship was playing this tape of some jap trying to warn the fishing trawler, in really bad Chinese, to "leave Japanese territorial waters immediately". As if it was a fact. And thats about the only communication they attempted during the video - the next thing you see is the coast guard ships circling around the trawler like sharks and cutting infront of it to try and block its path. Without any warning whatsoever.

Now, I'm no naval expert but, is this kind of confusing behavior standard procedure for coast guards elsewhere? Or does this seem like totally irresponsible and dangerous behavior to anyone else? Would it be completely unreasonable to argue that the Jap coast guard was indeed trying to force an "accident" in a failed attempt to create an international scandal for China?

My friend... I assure you, alot of us speak CHinese and can communicate very well in that language too. And we know what we have seen in the clips. And if you read through all of the threads you will notice that many of us (including myself) is saying that the evidence of this short few minutes clip is not enough, because the entire incident happened in a span of around 40+minutes.

However to say that it was entirely the Japanese's fault was also not correct, because we simply do not know many things.
 

Quickie

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Why? You can see the trawler's wake in all the videos.

The wake may give an idea where the boats' path was, but just before the second collision the video shot was just too close to observe the wake especially that of the patrol boat.



So by turning to port in the direction of the coastguard ship he hoped to move away from it?

I was saying it could be that the fishing boat was trying to turn port-side to pass behind the rear of the patrol boat and try to get away by making a u-turn or whatever.

It also could be that both the boat was heading for a collision and, by the time the chinese captain realised it, he decided to turn the boat port-side as turning the fishing boat towards the starboard side would ram the patrol boat right in the middle and at a more perpendicular angle incurring more damage that may even sink the patrol boat.
 

bd popeye

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But let's say Mexico claim it and has Mexican patrol boats circling its waters. Now you have a pair of Mexican PBs ordering you to stop. Are you gonna be inclined to?

I'd stop. Because I know the basic rules of maritime law.
 

facehugger

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My friend... I assure you, alot of us speak CHinese and can communicate very well in that language too. And we know what we have seen in the clips. And if you read through all of the threads you will notice that many of us (including myself) is saying that the evidence of this short few minutes clip is not enough, because the entire incident happened in a span of around 40+minutes.

However to say that it was entirely the Japanese's fault was also not correct, because we simply do not know many things.

Which "few minutes clip" are you refering to? I'm talking about the 6 part video on Youtube with each part about 10 minutes long.
 

rhino123

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Which "few minutes clip" are you refering to? I'm talking about the 6 part video on Youtube with each part about 10 minutes long.

Can you post the link to the videos? We only have reference to the video that was shared to us in the first two or three threads of this forum.
 

facehugger

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Can you post the link to the videos? We only have reference to the video that was shared to us in the first two or three threads of this forum.

Nope, the forum wont allow me to post links if I'm not mistaken. Anyway they are titled "Japanese coastguard hit Chinese fishing boat at Diaoyu Island Video 4-钓鱼岛撞船录像全版" so you can simply look em up on Youtube.
 

solarz

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But in any case, if I was a captain of a ship and a coast guard vessel came steaming over the horizon then demanded that they be allowed to board me, it is best not to interfere or try to run away. Let them have access, then later lawyer up...

Because a Chinese fisherman would have access to a lawyer? And what exactly could a Chinese lawyer do? Don't forget that up to this incident, the Chinese gov't has always been doing the "hush-hush" on any Diaoyutai incidents, including preventing activists from going there.


Well if they didn't then they wouldn't be disputed, they'd be considered Chinese because the Japanese coastguard wouldn't attempt to enforce Japan's claims.

Depends, do they routinely try to ram Chinese coastguard vessels? Assuming they did and it was somewhere like the Paracels, yes it would be their own fault for getting arrested.

I'm sure you'd have said that if the video had been shot by the Chinese trawler crew and showed the Japanese coastguard ships cutting their engines right in front of the trawler.

No, it's based on the fact that the Chinese crew deliberately twice rammed Japanese vessels. If they had shown no aggressive behaviour and just been detained for being there, there would be a fair argument that they should have been sent on their way fairly quickly. But they decided to use violence.

1- So you agree that the Japanese started the dispute by patrolling in those waters?

2- Most likely they do, you just never hear about it.

3- Actually, I think that's exactly what the video shows. I'm not taking it as definite proof, however.

4- Others have said this before, but again, good work coming up with a psychological profile of the Chinese fishermen with a 3-min video clip. I'm sure it does not reflect your own biases in any manner what-so-ever.
 

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Nope, the forum wont allow me to post links if I'm not mistaken. Anyway they are titled "Japanese coastguard hit Chinese fishing boat at Diaoyu Island Video 4-钓鱼岛撞船录像全版" so you can simply look em up on Youtube.
posts that include a URL link from a member with less than 4 post count would require moderator approval before the post appears. This is to prevent spam bots posting viagra ads all over the forum. So if it is a legitimate link, then it will be approved; however, it might take a couple hours before a moderator get the chance to approve it.
 
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