Pointblank
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Despite the recent arms purchases by the Venezuelans, the Colombians will most likely come out on top if things came to blows. The Columbian military is more motivated, better trained, more professional and has more combat experience than the Venezuelans, despite being not as well equipped.
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I agree with you, though I doubt it will come to that. It appears to me to be some rather silly posturing by Chavez, though brinkmanship can lead to disaster even if a party originally didn't mean to take matters that far.
Not a good idea at all. Colombia's armed forces have been fighting for nearly forty years now, they have tremendous experience and a bigger plus is US support. The US may even see this as an opportunity to settle the score with Chavez if he does something stupid. The Venezuelan military is not in any shape to fight a war with its neighbors, much less the USN if it comes to that.
I've got a thread on this going over at defencetalk if anybody wants to check that out.
Ecuador has mobilized some troops and cut of relations as well, which is troubling.
Ecuador has mobilized some troops and cut of relations as well, which is troubling.
Baibar of Jalat
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As long as he does not take to far, Venezula has a right to mobilise in defence of Ecuader. Ecauders soverignty was violated. Has the thought occurred "dictators" are not always in the wrong.
I rather Chavez use soft means to weaken US influence in Latin America. He has a good job in promoting regional integration outside of US. US would be happy to use its military because no one is gonna stop them.
I rather Chavez use soft means to weaken US influence in Latin America. He has a good job in promoting regional integration outside of US. US would be happy to use its military because no one is gonna stop them.
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alwaysfresh
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Venezuela supplies 2 million barrels of oil to the US a day. The US is not going to attack Venezuela. The US economy would immediate crash and thousands of Americans would die (oil is the blood of most countries infrastructure).
The Columbian government would easily lose if a war breaks out. It would be the rich vs the poor in Columbia, rich people do not want to die. Plus Venezuela would help FARC. It would be quickly over, through short military action plus a coup style change in government. Once war breaks the current government will be attacked on all sides, even within for starting the chain of actions. I predict, this is actually what Chavez wants.
Chavez has the support of most of Venezuela. They will not turn on him easily, especially when the Columbian government started the chain of actions.
The Columbian government would easily lose if a war breaks out. It would be the rich vs the poor in Columbia, rich people do not want to die. Plus Venezuela would help FARC. It would be quickly over, through short military action plus a coup style change in government. Once war breaks the current government will be attacked on all sides, even within for starting the chain of actions. I predict, this is actually what Chavez wants.
Chavez has the support of most of Venezuela. They will not turn on him easily, especially when the Columbian government started the chain of actions.
The thread I started over at DefTalk.
Really? Do you not think that the US would respond to unwarranted agression against a close ally, by a man who is already on the US's "naughty list", in the Americas? Betting against US action if this goes hot is a surefire way to get burned yourself.
The Columbian Army is certainly better trained and experienced that the Venezuelan Army (10 years of US Special Operations training, 30+ years of combat against FARC and others), has 7 divisions of well-trained infantry, and is defending mountainous, forested terrain. Militarily they have the advantage. Politically, support for FARC is little to none. There will be no popular uprising, if that's what you're implying. The Columbian people view FARC as a bunch of criminals (which they are).
How? Chavez was the one who "came to the defence" of a country that didn't ask for it. Granted crossing into Ecuador was not a good thing to do, but there are precedents for hot pursuits of guerillas.
But as I said, I doubt that this will go anywhere. It'll probably vanish by this time next week.
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So you're saying that the US would let Chavez walk over the whole of South America? That's ridiculous. If Venezuela invaded Colombia it would have to respond. And because Venezuela is so reliant on US oil imports it would be strangled if the US placed an oil embargo on it.
You do not understand the situation there at all. Colombia is a democracy and voted for its current government. I see nothing to suggest people are itching for a revolution, and if anything FARC are the ones hemoraging support - if Colombia were attacked most people would unite behind them.
Why is everybody assuming that this is an agressive act by Chaves and not a defensive act to deter a strong Columbian army crossing into Venuzalen territory?
I beleive that Columbia made an excursion into Equador a little while back.
I beleive that Columbia made an excursion into Equador a little while back.