USN Burke Class - News, Reports, Data, etc.

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    That would be the logical path but given the priority of the Ohio replacement program and it being a drag on funding, we will have to see how the US economy and a new POTUS pan out.

    Just on the idea of even more powerful radar progressively being put on successive new ships, I do have a view that this might not necessarily be the singular pathway of future USN consideration. I see an environment progressively moving towards network sensors and in particular the reliance on off board aerial sensors as part of the CEC architecture and CONOPS.

    An interesting article just appeared today on DARPA working towards aerial sensors to be distributed across naval vessels.

    http://breakingdefense.com/2015/12/northrop-hopes-for-tern-deal-offers-flying-wing-helicopter/
     
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    Look for a BIG turnaround in the economy...ala Reagan in his first four years.

    All of which would be very imminently possible with the Zumwalt hull form. Plenty of room for that type of innovation and more.
     
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    Once all the new concepts and technologies have been tested and martured, maybe the three Zumwalts can become for the large surface fleet what the Seawolves were for the sub fleet two decades ago.
    A new DDG(X) slightly below 10.000t as a multi-mission destroyer, produced in large numbers, combining AAW, ASW and ASuW capability and adding some kind of an amphibious fire support capacity over the Burkes.
    And the ability, of course, to contribute to BMD.

    And then some true BMD CG(X)s with the full AMDR follow on and proper fleet command capacity.
    Or maybe those classes will merge into one, with the SCC based FF below and a LPD-17 based BMD vessel above.
     
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    hope this passes as
    US Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
    (dated November 12, 2015; sorry if it's a repost):
    Navy, Industry Working Through DDG-51 Flight III Detail Design; Draft RFP For Ship Construction Released
    source: http://news.usni.org/2015/11/12/nav...sign-draft-rfp-for-ship-construction-released
     
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    Thanks for posting this, Jura. This is EXCELLENT detailed information about the Flight III Bukres. Really interesting and good reading.

    Oh...I am such a nerd!
     
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    It's been largely overlooked...but the US Navy put three Burkes in the water in 2015.

    What is amazing is that Ingalls showed it can do two ships in nine months.

    Here are the three

    DDG-113 in March by Ingalls

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    DDG-114 in December by Ingalls

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    DDG-115 in October by Bath

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    So far, 37 Burke IIAs have been put in the water, and 28 Burke I and II before that. 65 Burkes currently in the water and that was done since 1989, or in 26 years.

    A phenomenal run.

    Eight more Burke IIAs are on order (with two of them already under construction. That will make 45 Burke IIAs altogether, and 73 all told.

    Three Burke IIs are already approved, funded, and ordered. Probably 17 more of them will be built after that.
     
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    I'd love to see all of the Burkes get the following upgrades:

    - Move the Phalanx CIWS forward.
    - Add a RAM CIWS launcher aft where that Phalanx CIWS was
    - A 127mm rail gun forward
    - VLS LRASM ASAP

    Short of the Rail Gun right now, they could do all of this. In fact, if I were tasked with making a decision like this, I would love to see Raytheon do a combo Phalanx Gun/RAM Missile system

    They already use the Phalanx sensors for the SeaRAM, why not have a full-up RAM System, with 21 missiles AND the 20mm Gatlin Gun? They could slave the missiles to intercept at a certain range, and then bring on the gun too at the requisite range. It would be one nifty CIWS system...and then they could have one of those fore and aft providing the maximum and best of both worlds.

    Could you imagine? BMD Standard missiles for intercepts out to the edge of the atmosphere, Standard Missile for long to medium range, ESSM missiles for medium to short range, and then the RAM/Phalanx combo for Close in work.

    This would provide for 42 missiles and two 20mm cannons for CIWS, load eight four packs for ESSM and 32 missiles. Then have another 48 Standard missiles for medium to long range intercepts. This would still leave 40 missiles silos for either land attack or LRASM (Say 16 LRASMs and 24 LACMs). Heck of a powerful multi-role load out.

    42 RAM
    32 ESSM
    48 Standard
    16 LRASM
    24 LACM

    That's 162 missiles per Burke!
     
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    US Navy Successfully Completes First Live Fire Test Of SeaRAM From Burke DDG

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    The DDGs based in Rota, Spain, are:

    USS Carney, DDG-64
    USS Ross, DDG-71
    USS Cook, DDG-75
    USS Porter, DDG-78

    All of them are either Block I or Block II Burkes. This means they do nt have the helo hanger and usually are armed with two 20mm Phalanx CIWS.

    They are going to replace one of those 20mm CIWs with the SeaRAM and thus add that extra layer of defense spoken of in the article.

    Apparently they are not going to be upgraded to field the ESSM IIs until a few years from now and it was felt that they needed this additional layer in the Med now.

    Interesting.
     
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    With the recent SeaRAM test firing on a Burke and the reason for it, I thought it would be useful to post the following tabular information on the status of BMD capable ships with baseline 9 configuration (Aegis 5.0). Currently the number of ships that have dual mode capability are just three but will increasingly build up over the coming years. Credit of tabular information goes to www.mostlymissiledefence.com

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    New Fl IIa/Austin, 9 in order the first for this year, are ABM i think ?

    And in this case according ABM ships number seems right now no ABM capacity planned for the 34 in service only new are able o_O
     
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