US Navy & PLAN - South China Sea Situation News (Closed)

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Blackstone

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according to NavyTimes
U.S. Navy plans more South China Sea patrols in 2016

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It's about more than so-called freedom of navigation patrols, and going forward, we'll probably see more and more friction between US and China. It's also clear from the article US strategists don't appreciate, or at lease pretend not to, the fact China is serious about ending US military primacy as the basis of the Asian security order. So, each side test the other on intention and resolve, and 2016 promises to be hotter than 2015. We do indeed live in interesting times.
 

Equation

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It's about more than so-called freedom of navigation patrols, and going forward, we'll probably see more and more friction between US and China. It's also clear from the article US strategists don't appreciate, or at lease pretend not to, the fact China is serious about ending US military primacy as the basis of the Asian security order. So, each side test the other on intention and resolve, and 2016 promises to be hotter than 2015. We do indeed live in interesting times.

Until somebody runs out of money to contest anything and I can tell you in the future for the long term it won't be China.
 

Zerozen

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Until somebody runs out of money to contest anything and I can tell you in the future for the long term it won't be China.
Its not about the money you know, It's about subverting the current norms and create a new one or reinforce and prevail on what is written.
 

Blackstone

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Its not about the money you know, It's about subverting the current norms and create a new one or reinforce and prevail on what is written.
That's one way of putting it, but I'd like to believe China want a say in how things are run, especially in Asia. In that view, I think US should reach out to China while it's still clearly stronger and put together the so-called "Concert of Asia" where the four great Asia-Pacific powers, US, China, India, and Japan, lead the region. Going forward, it's probably the most stable scheme.
 

Brumby

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That's one way of putting it, but I'd like to believe China want a say in how things are run, especially in Asia. In that view, I think US should reach out to China while it's still clearly stronger and put together the so-called "Concert of Asia" where the four great Asia-Pacific powers, US, China, India, and Japan, lead the region. Going forward, it's probably the most stable scheme.
There is already an established order and legal framework embodied in UNCLOS which has wide and comprehensive sign off from many countries. It is a level playing field where weaker nations are protected and more powerful nations are constrained by rule of law. The problem is there are minority countries that want to change the status quo. The events leading to WW1 and 2 were destabilising because of competing great world powers and their pursuance of respective national interest. The idea of competing great power leading to a more stable environment is not reflective of recent history.
If China wants to have a say on how things are run, that is fine provided we actually know what it is. A good start is actually explaining what is embodied within the 9 dash claim.
 

Blackstone

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There is already an established order and legal framework embodied in UNCLOS which has wide and comprehensive sign off from many countries. It is a level playing field where weaker nations are protected and more powerful nations are constrained by rule of law. The problem is there are minority countries that want to change the status quo. The events leading to WW1 and 2 were destabilising because of competing great world powers and their pursuance of respective national interest. The idea of competing great power leading to a more stable environment is not reflective of recent history.
If China wants to have a say on how things are run, that is fine provided we actually know what it is. A good start is actually explaining what is embodied within the 9 dash claim.
Issues, problems, and new opportunities in the world change through time, and international norms should also change to match. The key is to make changes in peaceful and orderly ways that accommodates reemerging powers like China and rising powers like India while ensuring continued strong presence of the US. That's why a concert of Asia-Pacific's great powers, US, China, India, and Japan is a good way forward.
 

Jeff Head

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Guys, this thread IS NOT ABOUT POLITICAL/IDEOLOGICAL analysis.

It is not about your personal feelings for or against the US, China, or any of the other players, and then your ideological feelings about it.

Stick to what is actually happening or proposed to happen and the military equipment, their specifications and capabilities, and potential reactions militarily and defense wise.

Leave the politics and the rants for or against one nation or another out of it.

DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MODERATION.
 

Brumby

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South China Sea: Vietnam protests after China lands plane on disputed Spratlys

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Hanoi: Vietnam has formally accused China of violating its sovereignty and a recent confidence-building pact by landing a plane on an airstrip Beijing has built on an artificial island in a contested part of the South China Sea.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Le Hai Binh said the airfield had been "built illegally" on Fiery Cross Reef in the Spratly archipelago, in territory that was "part of Vietnam's Spratlys".

China's Foreign Ministry rejected the complaint, saying that what was a test flight to the newly built airfield on the reef, which China calls Yongshu Jiao, was a matter "completely within China's sovereignty", the Chinese state news agency Xinhua reported.

The United States said it was concerned that the flight had exacerbated tensions.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said China used a civil aircraft to conduct the flight to test whether the airfield facilities meet civil aviation standards.

The test flight was inevitable. Using a civil aircraft is the least egregious option.
 

Jeff Head

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This Thread is Closed.

The initial US Navy FON exercises are over and there responses have been well documented.

Future US Navy exercises should be documented in the SCS Strategy (other nations) thread.
 
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