US Navy Ford Class nuclear carriers

dtulsa

Junior Member
This ship can easily accommodate a total 90 aircraft. Aboard America in '81 we had 92 aircraft. Before what you suggest ever happens all avenues to get the EMALs, Advanced arresting gear to function as designed should be exhausted.. and some aircraft would be need for AEW...perhaps the the UK Westland Sea King.
I tend to agree one thing we may see though is a return of the smaller carriers if ya call 50-60000 tons small in fact the Senate has set a side about 30 million for just such a study to check the readability of them
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
The USN EMALs system as installed aboard Gerald R Ford is as of yet questionable as far as I'm know. Not a single aircraft has been launched off the ship since it was accepted by the USN. In fact it has spent less than 10 days at sea in the last two months.

Very disappointing. Most assuredly...and embarrassing.

I too am very disappointed with the emals aboard Ford. For sure I was confident it would be ready by now in accordance to the ship's construction timeline!
I too understand the pain and delays when implementing new technologies however in his case it has gone far beyond even the most pessimistic timetable.

They need to get it right soon. A carrier is basically useless if she can't launch aircrafts and everyday that it is delayed, costs American taxpayers million$ nevermind negatively impacting the readiness of the navy!
 

delft

Brigadier
I know that is hard...but we had to figure it out earlier before the advent of the crutches of pure computers.

Do not get me wrong...it is good to have them...but it is VERY BAD to rely entirely on them.
Let me tell an anecdote:
A Hungarian student worked some years at the Delft University of Technology in the late sixties and he was very good in the Dutch language. He left a computer program that simulated something and as all such simulations it was only valid for a limited range of input values. When you got outside that range the program cursed you. For years after he went back to Hungary that program was used and the users complained about the curses without thinking that they might be doing something wrong.
Using slide rules will not solve the problem but knowing the limits of your simulation and testing whether you are not going outside the limits when you don't know it must be the solution. That costs a lot of money and of course time but it is cheaper than building something at great cost and only then finding out. I suppose the problem lies with the managers who are saving money wherever they can.
 
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dtulsa

Junior Member
Let me tell an anecdote:
A Hungarian student worked some years at the Delft University of Technology in the late sixties and he was very good in the Dutch language. He left a computer program that simulated something and as all such simulations it was only valid for a limited range of input values. When you got outside that range the program cursed you. For years after he went back to Hungary that program was used and the users complained about the curses without thinking that they might be doing something wrong.
Using slide rules will not solve the problem but knowing the limits of your simulation and testing whether you are not going outside the limits when you don't know it must be the solution. That costs a lot of money and of course time but it is cheaper than building something at great cost and only then finding out.
It does sound like they reached for a little too much with the Ford and Zumwalt and not enough with the LCS
 

delft

Brigadier
of course it did NOT; 'pessimistic timetable' would mean Navy should return to 'goddamned steam' on carrier, Trump says
May 11, 2017
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That would take a long time, what with completing the necessary redesign. It might be better to buy the Chinese EM cat that might by then have be proved.:rolleyes:
 

bd popeye

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WASHINGTON (NNS) -- The Navy will commission its newest aircraft carrier, the future USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78), during a 10 a.m. EDT ceremony Saturday, July 22, at Naval Station Norfolk.

USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) is the lead ship of the new Gerald R. Ford class of aircraft carrier, the first new class in more than 40 years and will begin the phased replacement of Nimitz-class carriers when the ship is commissioned.
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All kidding aside I hope those shipmates aboard Gerald R Ford have fair winds and following seas.. they have a lot of work ahead of them...a whole lot.
 

Jeff Head

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All kidding aside I hope those shipmates aboard Gerald R Ford have fair winds and following seas.. they have a lot of work ahead of them...a whole lot.
Same from me my friend.

Fair winds and a following sea.

Just the same...I am glad they have that carrier and still believe it will be a HUGE assett and help revolutionize carrier ops, and particularly improve them with the new class.

still...it is strange to me that they are commissioning her without so much as a single fixe wing aircraft having landed or taken off from her deck.

They have a LOT of work to do to get those operations down with the new equipment and I want them to START DOING THAT SOONEST!

They should have gotten a squadron or two on bord and checked out the trapping and catting before commissioning IMHO...but I expect now they will start doing that with a will. THAT is precisely what they need to be doing.
 

bd popeye

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found the time now: "Ceremony will take place on Pier 11 at 10 am."
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8:35 AM
Saturday, July 22, 2017 (EDT)
Time in Newport News, VA, USA

can't find a link to live streaming though ... got one ?

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I'm not watching..boring..very boring.

Oh by the way pilotonline has US Navy news stories not found elsewhere. They are part of the Virginia Pilot newspaper from the Norfolk VA area...also know as Tidewater.
 
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