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Ambivalent

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Re: Washington Post runs negative story on Raptor

The Raptor not going away anytime soon. Simply put the kibosh has been put on any more Raptor production.

The Air Force has no one to blame but themselves for the cancellation of this program. It has been mismanaged from the beginning. What grinds my gears is that the US now has to get along without enough of a vital weapon system because the nitwits in Air Force procurement are thoroughly incompetent.
 

Scratch

Captain
Some in the navy apperently really want to make wider use of nuclear power in the fleet. It remains to be seen how accurate the estimate of costs of nuke-powered vs. non-nuke ships is. But with advancing technology, power requirements are on the rise anyway. There's new, big BMD radars, DEW and who knows what.

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U.S. Navy: Nuclear Cruiser Could Be Cheaper Than Non-Nukes

By christopher p. cavas
Published: 7 Aug 2009 18:11


A U.S. Navy draft study has concluded that operating a nuclear-powered cruiser could be cheaper than operating a non-nuclear ship, but the Government Accountability Office (GAO) is disputing that assessment.

n an Aug. 7 letter sent to Sens. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., and Mel Martinez, R-Fla., GAO analyst Paul Francis said a yet-to-be-approved Navy draft cost analysis showed that nuclear cruisers would be cheaper if oil-price patterns of the past 35 years continue to hold.

ut Francis wrote that the Navy didn't include several factors in its calculations - factors that would change the results to show that non-nuclear ships would be cheaper.

They include "present value analysis," a way to calculate the future value of money; alternative scenarios for the future price of oil; and an examination of how a less efficient conventional propulsion system would affect cost estimates.

By including those factors in its calculations and coming up with a different result, Francis wrote, his analysis "demonstrates the sensitivity of the cost estimates to different assumptions, underscoring the need for more rigorous analysis before reaching conclusions."

Francis wrote that although the Navy disagreed with several of GAO's underlying analyses, it agreed with the need to include the new factors in its calculations.

The Navy is considering nuclear power for the new CGX cruiser, which it could buy in 2017. Congress has directed that the ships be nuclear-propelled, but a 2007 Navy analysis reported a nuclear cruiser would cost $600 million to $800 million more than a non-nuke.

The Navy has not commissioned a nuclear-powered warship other than an aircraft carrier or submarine since 1980, and all its nuclear cruisers were taken out of service in the 1990s.

The GAO letter also provided rare confirmation of some of the broad details of the never-released Analysis of Alternatives (AoA) report for the CGX cruiser. The report, begun in 2005, was to have been completed in late 2007, but has been withheld for a variety of reasons as the Navy reviewed its plans for the ship.

Francis reports that the Navy identified six ship design concepts in the CGX AoA: two based on modified DDG 1000 Zumwalt-class destroyers; one on a modified DDG 51 Arleigh Burke-class destroyer; one new conventionally powered cruiser; and one nuclear-powered cruiser. The sixth concept wasn't identified in the letter.

The designs vary in capability, Francis wrote, including the sensitivity of the primary radar, the number of missile cells, and the propulsion system.

The power of the new radar, to be developed from a new Air and Missile Defense Radar (AMDR), is a key factor in the new ship's ability to meet its mission requirements. Final power needs for the new radar, which is in the earliest stages of development, are as yet unknown, but numerous Navy sources report that the power needs will best be met by providing the cruiser with a nuclear power plant.
 

tanay

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Its my first post here. I am not sure whether this piece of information falls under the 'military' category or not. As it is a intelligence input, indirectly(or directly?) related to military. Lack of any 'Intelligence' thread, or 'World Strategic discussion' is forcing me to put it here. But surely this bit of information does have its turns and twists in US-Sino-Arab relationship.

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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
UCP fares poorly in Army camo test said:
By Matthew Cox - Staff writer
Posted : Wednesday Sep 16, 2009 12:14:58 EDT

The Army’s Universal Camouflage Pattern, now under scrutiny by soldiers and Congress, is “significantly” worse at concealing soldiers than the Marine desert digital and MultiCam camouflage patterns, according to a two-year Army camouflage test obtained by Army Times.

The “Photosimulation Camouflage Detection Test,” conducted by U.S. Army Natick Soldier Research, Development between March 2007 and March 2009, identifies four camouflage patterns that outperform the Army Combat Uniform’s UCP.

The Marine Corps desert digital, MultiCam, Desert Brush and a Syrian military pattern all “improved the soldier’s visual detectability by decreasing the detection distance by a minimum of 16% in the desert and woodland environments as compared to the target wearing UCP,” the report shows.

All four patterns performed 16 to 36 percent better than the UCP across the woodland, desert and urban settings of the test, the report shows.

The Natick test follows another study involving UCP that Natick released in 2006. The “Computerized Visual Camouflage Evaluation,” conducted between November 2005 and July 2006, found that “MultiCam performed significantly better than the UCP in most conditions.”

The most recent Natick report raises questions as to why the Army’s Program Executive Soldier rejected the Marine desert digital, MultiCam and Desert Brush patterns in 2004 and chose the UCP for its Army Combat Uniform, a decision that resulted in $5 billion in uniform and equipment costs.

Army Times obtained the Natick test report from an Aug. 18 Freedom of Information Act request after Army officials refused the newspaper’s requests for the report.

Brig. Gen. Peter Fuller, who took command of PEO Soldier in 2008, said he did not have data to show Army Times to justify the UCP selection in light of its poor performance against the three U.S. patterns in the Natick test. The Syrian pattern was not an option when the UCP was selected.

“Based on what information they had … they went through evolution of different colors to get to what we now know as the Universal Camouflage Pattern,” Fuller told Army Times in an interview Monday.

“There is no study there that is available from 2003 and 2004 when that decision was made that says ‘Here are all the alternatives and we have down selected to this one.’ ”

But Fuller questions whether there is a problem with UCP at all, since PEO Soldier has not received any operational needs statements on camouflage from Iraq or Afghanistan.

“I have not seen an ONS from either theater saying they have a camouflage problem; go get me an alternative,’ ” Fuller said. “This is the challenge that we do have — on one side we are trying to be responsive and on the other side, we are trying to be responsible. If we here a soldiers say ‘we have a problem,’ [then] show me the problem.”

The Natick report surfaces in the midst of mounting criticism of the UCP pattern’s performance on the battlefield.

Responding to pressure from Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., chairman of the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense, the Army will outfit two combat battalions in Afghanistan with two different, alternative camouflage uniforms in an effort to find a better pattern for the expanding Afghan war.

Murtha launched the congressional mandate in mid-June, saying that he had heard complaints from “a dozen” Army noncommissioned officers that the ACU's pattern is ineffective in rugged, mountainous countryside. He gave the Army until Sept. 30 to come up with a new pattern.

By early October, Army uniform officials plan to outfit one battalion with new uniforms featuring a camouflage pattern that PEO Soldier is calling “UCP Delta,” which is the current Universal Camouflage Pattern enhanced with a new color, “coyote brown,” blended into it. At the same time, the Army will supply another battalion with uniforms in MultiCam, a camouflage pattern already worn in combat by Army special operations forces.

The extensive test sought to evaluate the detection performance of 18 “standard, foreign and experimental” camouflage patterns during daylight conditions using NATO’s Research and Technology Organization’s established guidelines for photosimulation data collection and analysis.

While the report concludes that “environment-specific patterns provide the best camouflage,” it also finds the following:

“If Army leadership desires, for any number of reasons, to maintain a single, multi-environment camouflage pattern for combat missions, then one must first consider all possible environments that a soldier can encounter during a mission set. For instance, in present day theaters, soldiers can maneuver from desert mountainous terrain to oasis to urban terrain during a single mission.

“MultiCam provides a readily available alternative with good overall performance across all three environments. … It provides a significant reduction in target detectability in all three environments as compared to the UCP. MultiCam performed better in the woodland environment than the Desert MARPAT and Desert Brush patterns, while those two patterns performed better in the desert environment than MultiCam.”

The report states that the government-developed Desert Brush pattern would require “approximately six months lead time” to prepare it for full-scale production.

The report also states that choosing a new camouflage pattern and coordinating equipment would likely cost billions of dollars.

One alternative would “keeping the UCP as a garrison uniform, while supplementing combat missions with either an improved multi-environment pattern, such as MultiCam, or environment-specific patterns,” the report states.

Also, for equipment such as body armor, the report recommends “adopting a solid color that works well with all combat uniform patterns. This is the strategy the USMC has used with their Desert and Woodland MARPAT uniforms and solid coyote-colored” body armor and load-bearing equipment, the report states.

Despite the test’s findings, Army uniform officials plan to launch a six-month scientific study to evaluate more than 50 camouflage pattern and equipment combinations.

Army Material Command and the Naval Research Laboratory validated the science used in the Natick test, Fuller said, but the Army still needs more science to back up any future decisions on camouflage.

“Is the data in that report good? Yeah, but it has limitations,” Fuller said, pointing to the fact that the test only evaluated soldiers in uniforms without their combat equipment. Also, Fuller criticized the test for using tan-colored buildings for an urban setting.

“Maybe [an urban] site we use to evaluate urban colors should not be in tan,” he said. “These are big dollar investments. … What we want to be able to do is say, ‘If we are going to make an informed decision, let’s make sure we have some basis of science here,’ and we are not saying ‘we like this color over that color because you are going to end up with lots of opinions.’ ”
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Tanker decision given back to Air Force said:
By Bruce Rolfsen - airforce times writer
Posted : Wednesday Sep 16, 2009 12:18:04 EDT

The Air Force has regained control of the KC-X tanker program, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday at the Air Force Association’s Air and Space Conference near Washington, D.C.

Last year Gates stripped decision authority from the Air Force after the Government Accountability Office sharply criticized how the Air Force set its requirements for the KC-X compared the competing tankers from Boeing Co. and Northrop Grumman/EADS.

The GAO review resulted in the cancellation of the contract award to Northrop/EADS.

Gates’ decision was great news for the service, whose acquisition community is looking for redemption.

“The Air Force is pleased at today’s announcement and the confidence Secretary Gates is placing in the Air Force,” Secretary of the Air Force Michael Donley said after Gates’ announcement. “Tanker recapitalization remains the Air Force’s number one acquisition priority.”

A draft request for proposal is close to release and will be presented to interested offerors with ample time for discussions, Donley said. The formal request for proposal release is expected later this year with contract award slated for 2010.

The Air Force’s decision process will be closely watched to ensure it is “done soon and done right,” Gates said.

The secretary also fired a warning shot at firms submitting bids, saying the program can not afford “corporate food fights.”

The KC-X program calls for buying 179 tankers, allowing the service to replace its aging KC-135 tankers.

Tuesday, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz emphasized the high priority he gives KC-X.

“The most important thing we have to deal with is the KC-X acquisition,” Schwartz said.
On Again off again On Again Hopefully before the wings drop
Future of tac-air integration unclear said:
By Andrew Tilghman - Navy Times writer
Posted : Monday Sep 14, 2009 5:46:59 EDT

A pending Navy-Marine Corps study about whether to use the Marine Corps’ next-generation jump jet aboard aircraft carriers — in addition to planned usage aboard big-deck amphibs — may help resolve key questions about the Corps’ future in carrier aviation.

Experts say that adding the Corps’ F-35B Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter to carrier decks would transform — and complicate — flight deck operations. Yet opting against using the jets on carriers and keeping them only on amphibious assault ships would threaten the current practice of integrating Navy and Marine tactical jets in carrier air wings.

That practice was formalized in 2002 under an agreement known as “tac-air integration” and involves Navy and Marine F/A-18 Hornets. It is unclear whether that model will continue into the age of the F-35.

The Corps is developing a short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing version for amphibs, and the Navy plans a carrier variant that takes off and lands via catapults and arresting gear. Marines expect to operate F-35Bs by 2012, and the Navy plans to deploy the carrier version by 2015.

The Navy Department study of F-35Bs on carriers is underway with the goal of concluding next year, said Lt. Callie Ferrari, a Navy spokeswoman at the Pentagon. No firm timeline for carrier-based testing has been set, she said.
New designs, new demands

As the F-35s replace Hornets on carriers, flying the STOVL and carrier variants from the same flight deck will create new challenges.

The variants demand different flight deck configurations: The Navy’s F-35C requires a traditional carrier runway; the Corps’ F-35Bs need less space for takeoff but produce intense heat and downdraft.

“It’s a tough operational question: Exactly how do you intermix the STOVL and non-STOVL aircraft?” said Navy Capt. Paul Mackley, who was the commanding officer of Strike Fighter Squadron 97 when it deployed with Marines as an expeditionary squadron in 2004 under the current tac-air agreement.

Despite the challenges, Mackley said he expects integration to continue, partly as a way to manage the “fighter gap,” the looming shortfall in fighter jets as the older F/A-18 Hornets retire faster than the F-35s will arrive to replace them.

“As the strike fighter gap occurs, and as the F/A-18Ds get older, the challenge for resources is going to drive the tactical solution,” said Mackley, operations and curriculum director for Tactical Training Group Pacific.

“We’re going to have to get a little more creative in how we fill out our air wings, in the short term at least,” Mackley said.

A Marine spokesman, Maj. Eric Dent, said the Corps supports the integration with F-35s.

“Our vision is to have F-35Bs forward-deployed on both carriers and amphibious ships, as well as with Marine units ashore,” Dent said in a written statement.

Some experts say the next-generation fighter jets will spell the end of the Navy-Marine Corps agreement.

“I think it’ll go away,” said Bob Dunn, a retired vice admiral who is now head of the Naval Aviation Association. He envisions a future with only F-35Cs on carriers.

Dunn pointed to the reduced range and payload of the STOVL variant compared with the F-35C.

“It makes a big difference in the way the carrier is operated and what it can do in the course of a day,” Dunn said.

Part of the motivation for formalizing integration in 2002 was to ensure that the Navy could fill out carrier air wings on 11 aircraft carriers, Dunn said.

If the Navy and Marine Corps opt against using the STOVL aircraft on carriers, that may affect the Navy’s total number of carriers, Dunn said.

“The Navy won’t have sufficient aircraft to man all of its carriers. The strike fighters are in short supply due to the insufficient procurement of the Super Hornets. Once the Marines get their full bag of F-35s, I think it’ll be very difficult,” Dunn said.

..but with a Shrinking carrier fleet
 
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bd popeye

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but with a Shrinking carrier fleet

Now now TE.. As far as I know the USN plans to maintain 11 CVNs and 10 LHA/LHDs for the foreseeable future. And as you surely know the new America class LHAs are truly a pocket CV...

I did read that some where in the 2015-2020 time frame the USN CVN strength may drop to 10.
 

crobato

Colonel
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Almost a forgotten conflict because of Iraq and Afghanistan, but still a deadly one raging south of the Philippines. Way over a century now. Posting so this will not be forgotten as well as those who die because of it.

Two U.S. service members killed in the Philippines

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Ambivalent

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Now now TE.. As far as I know the USN plans to maintain 11 CVNs and 10 LHA/LHDs for the foreseeable future. And as you surely know the new America class LHAs are truly a pocket CV...

I did read that some where in the 2015-2020 time frame the USN CVN strength may drop to 10.

I saw an interesting study that compares the damage a single F/A=18E/F can do compared to a flight of hundreds of WWII era B-17's or B-24's. In WWII it required over 700 bombers dropping 500 lb unguided bombs on a target to score a single hit. All the pre-WWII bombing accuracy guidelines relied on bombers flying in single file at the target so each plane could be precisely lined up on it's target. Well, that tactic went out the window when the Luftwaffe decimated such formations. Instead, formations flew in big box formations for mutual defense. Accuracy went out the window. In one raid on a big steel works in Japan that used over 400 B-29's, only one bomb hit the target and even then it only hit a power plant at the periphery of the plant, not the main steel works. 500 lb bombs were found to be inadequate to destroy production machinery in German factories. If they even hit, the blast radius was not sufficient to do much more than take down the roof and blow out some walls, but the actual production machinery seemed to survive these hits. Also, the CEP of these weapons was simply awful. In bombing you ideally want the blast radius of the weapon to exceed the CEP. In WWII this was a pipe dream. Accuracy and kill averages were higher for tactical aircraft like P-47's armed with 1000 lb or larger bombs and such attacks were used against limited high value targets within the more limited ranges of such aircraft ( limited when carrying big bombs instead of drop tanks as when performing fighter escort duty for the bombers ).
By comparison, a modern tactical jet like a Super Hornet or F-15E can carry four 2000 lb JDAM's and drop each of these on a separate target with a high degree of assurance the bomb will hit and destroy it's intended target. The blast radius and penetration of a 2000 lb JDAM is sufficient to guarantee a kill if it is accurate since the blast radius exceeds the CEP. A single such tactical jet can do the damage of 700 WWII era bombers. That is quite a number to meditate on. Today, a modern carrier can support nearly 200 combat sorties each day. The Ford class will support 250 sorties each day. Now consider each of these airplanes can destroy four separate targets on each sortie were as early as the beginning of this decade such a tactical jet could only guarantee one target destroyed per sortie ( all four JDAM's dropped on one target, newer JDAM's are far more accurate ). So sometimes the apparent numbers of aircraft or ships does not hint at their actual combat power.
 
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