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I also read the discussions on that site. I think the emphasis and distinction being made was that this is a functional test rather than a combat effectiveness test because of the lack of realistic conditions like adverse atmospheric conditions and or it is subject to ECM. I think it is interesting to note that LCS-4 is the second vessel with LCS 2 being commissioned in Jan 2010 - basically an initial test 5 over years after the commissioning of the first vessel. Is this normal procedure?
Depends on the weapons system.

In this case, IMHO, with the SeaRAM, the testing appears to have been slow.

But we also need to understand what SeaRAM is. It contains a Phalanx CIWS base with its sensors (which are very well understood and tested over many years on many, many vessels) integrated with an eleven cell RAM missile launcher, where the RAM launchers are also a very much proven system over many years on many vessels.

The system is a "bolt on" system, that does not need to be integrated with the ships other sensors...only with the ability to turn the system on and launch when it acquires a target. Like the Phalanx this can probably be in either a direct manual fire mode, or an automatic mode once enabled.

The initial testing on the combination took place by the Royal Navy in 2001. It has been tested numerous since, albeit not on the LCS.

The US Navy got the 1st SeaRAM system for the LCS (specifically for the USS Independence) in March of 2008. It was installed on the helicopter hanger in the Spring or Summer of 2009. It has a blast test launch of two missiles (not armed or combat worthy) to validate structural integrity in May 2010.

The USS Independence was commissioned in 2010. The USS Coronado, also with its SeaRAM launcher installed, was commissioned in 2014. The USS Jackson, LCS-6 will be commissioned in December...also with its SeaRAM installed.

Now we have the first actual live firing exercise for functionality in 2015. So yes...that is, IMHO, a slow actual testing program aboard these ships.

This implies either that they are so confidant in the integrated system with the current level of testing that they are deploying them without the specific operational level tests of these systems...or that other platforms have already tested the integrated system sufficiently to establish a very solid base line.

Another platform that already has the system aboard, and which has been commissioned is the JMSDF Izumo carrier. Each of those class vessels have two SeaRAMs aboard. I am not familiar with the level of testing done on that vessel...but knowing the Japanese, I am sure they have tested it to their satisfaction.

Anyhow...time will tell. Even if slow on the LCS, they are moving forward and I expect at some point the more involved operational testing will occur on the LCS.

As I say, other testing may have already justified the type of test program we are seeing here. The Navy and the manufacturer are advertising SeaRAM with a 90% kill rate against incoming missiles. They are basing that on something and I expect they have the empirical numbers from testing that has already taken place.
 
I think there are at least two things in play, one is the video

SeaRAM Live Fire Test (1 target)

intended mainly for general public: while the dramatic music is playing, somebody in front of his/her screen cheers from 00:45 Go! Go! Go! and at 00:54 shouts Gotcha!
later (s)he might even share, or talk about, this vid with friends, but that's it (and it's fine! :)

the other thing is here, where there's for example
Modern CIWS & Anti-Missile Systems (Deployed and in development)
thread (where I happened to post), and the video is just the beginning, as it raises questions, some of them addressed by Brumby and Jeff in the preceding posts, some other come to my mind:
  1. what was the trajectory of the target at first (while the missile was acquiring it)?
  2. did the target make evasive maneuvers later? of what type?
  3. how the missile and the target collided?
  4. what would've happened in the case of a saturation attack (for example how would IR seekers of the missiles discriminate between its target / a missile "from salvo")
and that's what I just typed in two minutes or so, and I'm NOT a rocket scientist LOL
I'd love to see speculations about those topics here (the real answers will remain classified for long enough, of course)
 
Have you heard yet?
Orbital ATK's AARGM Missile Scores Direct Hit Against Mobile Ship Target
Live Fire Test Demonstrates Program’s Block 1 Upgrade Capability
Dulles, Virginia, 23 September 2015 -- Orbital ATK, Inc. (NYSE: OA), a global leader in aerospace and defense technologies, and the U.S. Navy successfully launched and scored a hit against the Mobile Ship Target during Block 1 upgrade test firings of the AGM-88E Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile (AARGM) at the Point Mugu Sea Range on Aug. 18, 2015.

“The block upgrade testing demonstrated that the hardware, software and aircraft systems all worked together resulting in the successful live fire of the weapon,” said Bill Kasting, Vice President and General Manager of Orbital ATK’s Defense Electronic Systems division of the Defense System’s Group. “We look forward to rolling out these upgrades throughout the fleet, upon the successful completion of follow-on operational testing.”

“This first Block 1 live fire test demonstrated the weapon’s effectiveness against a moving ship,” said Gordon Turner, Vice President Strike Weapons. “This is the first live-fire test in a series of live-fire and captive-carry events that will assess the missile’s software modifications made to deliver new capabilities to the warfighter.”

The AARGM shot was launched from a U.S. Navy F/A-18F Super Hornet in a scenario designed to test the missile’s capabilities against mobile ship targets employing advanced tactics. The AARGM utilized its advanced anti-radiation homing sensor and millimeter wave radar to successfully detect, identify, locate and engage the moving maritime target.

Orbital ATK participated in the missile firing as a member of the U.S. Navy's Integrated Product Team, led by the Direct and Time Sensitive Strike Program Office. Team members from the Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division - China Lake led the AARGM Block 1 Upgrade test. Additional test team members included Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division – Point Mugu, Air Test and Evaluation Squadron Three One, and the Naval Air Systems Command.

AARGM is a supersonic, air-launched tactical missile system, upgrading legacy AGM-88 HARM systems with advanced capability to perform Destruction of Enemy Air Defense missions. AARGM provides the most advanced system for pilots, with in-cockpit, real-time electronic order of battle situational awareness against today’s modern surface-to-air threats. It is able to rapidly engage traditional and non-traditional advanced land- and sea-based air-defense threats, as well as striking, time-sensitive targets.

AARGM is currently deployed with the U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps. AARGM achieved Initial Operational Capability in July 2012 and was approved by the Navy for Full Rate Production in September 2012.

AARGM is a U.S. Navy and Italian Air Force international cooperative major acquisition program with the U.S. Navy as the executive agent. AARGM is currently deployed and supporting operational requirements for the U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps. The missile is integrated into the weapons system on the F/A-18C/D Hornet, FA-18E/F Super Hornet and E/A-18G Growler aircraft. AARGM is anticipated to achieve Initial Operational Capability on the Italian Air Force’s Tornado ECR aircraft in 2017.
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Salt Lake Tribune said:
The U.S. Navy said Wednesday it will name a new submarine for Utah — the first combat vessel in years to bear a name from the Beehive State.

Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus will formally announce the name 3 p.m. Monday at the City-County Building in Salt Lake City. The USS Utah will be a
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submarines are typically named for states, and the Navy had been waiting to name the submarine whose registry number is to be 801 — the telephone area code for Salt Lake City and most of the Wasatch Front.

The vessels are meant to provide defenses against enemy submarines, gather intelligence and conduct covert missions. They can fire torpedoes at vessels, or nuclear or conventional missiles at targets on land. Twelve
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Last year, the Pentagon
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for 10
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submarines. The USS Utah will be the last of that group.

The submarine won't be the first vessel named for the state. A battleship named USS Utah first sailed in 1911. It was later converted into a target ship and was in port at Pearl Harbor during the 1941 attack by Japan. It was among the ships that
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Another submarine, the
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, was in service from 1984 to 2005.

The last combat vessel to bear a Utah name was the
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. It was an amphibious transport ship in service from 1965 until 2007. She was purposely sunk by weapons fire during an exercise off the coast of Hawaii in 2014.
 
"shield in place":
Destroyer USS Carney Arrives in Rota Completing European Ballistic Missile Defense Quartet
Guided missile destroyer USS Carney (DDG-64) arrived at Naval Station Rota, Spain on Friday completing the forward deployment of four ballistic missile defense (BMD) destroyers as part of the U.S. European Phased Adaptive Approach (EPAA) to BMD.

Carney now joins USS Donald Cook (DDG-75), USS Ross (DDG-71) and USS Porter (DDG-78) assigned to U.S. 6th Fleet.

“With the arrival of Carney, we have reached a milestone in our nation’s commitment to station multi-mission capable warships to support the ballistic missile defense of Europe,” said Adm. Mark Ferguson, commander, U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa in a statement.

In addition to the BMD this ship will be part of the stepped up U.S. and NATO presence missions since the Russian seizure of the Crimean peninsula in Ukraine in 2014.

Cook, Ross and Porter have all made regular patrols in the Black Sea for the last year.

The destroyers will work together with two planned Aegis Ashore BMD batteries in Romania and Poland as part of the EPAA framework.

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the service announced the creation of Commander Task Force 64 (CTF-64) to create a standalone taskforce “to address the growth and emphasis on ballistic missile defense and integrated air and missile defense mission” in the European area of responsibility (AOR).
The forward deployed destroyers will be components of CTF-64, USNI News understands.
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Jeff Head

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"shield in place":
Destroyer USS Carney Arrives in Rota Completing European Ballistic Missile Defense Quartet

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Yes! I saw this earlier in the week.

Did you see:

THIS REPORT

Burkes are going to get the SeaRAM for their CIWS, and they are going to start with these four vessels based in Rota, Spain..

That will be a good thing.
 

Jeff Head

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Yes...that's the one.

I was going to ask if SeaRAMs have been tested on ABs yet (I think you know me LOL)
SeaRam has been extensively tested...but I am unware of it being tested on a Burke yet.

It is a completely bolt on system relying on its own sensors to detect, acquire, track, and lock on. It will just need to be wired so that the personnel can turn it on, set it to either manual fire or auto, monitor it and he tell it to fire.
 

Jeff Head

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Great video of Carney arriving at Rota.


You can clearly see her two Phalanx which are on the flight I and II Burkes.

I expect one of those will be replaced with the SeaRam when the time comes so they will have both.
 
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