US F/A-XX and F-X 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread

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    U.S. Air Force Family Of Systems Trumps Next-Generation Fighter

    Source : AWST Sept 6, 2019

    I am seeing a narrative that the USAF has been using lately in advancing their thoughts on where the program is heading. The language emphasis is about building a highway and not the truck.
     
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    Sounds like a path to the FCS in the air. sigh.
     
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    Yep,its a line of krapola, like the line that guns were no longer necessary on fighter aircraft, its a bunch of bull. You've got to have a suitable platform to maintain air superiority, or else you will have to "prove that you have capability, that you may not have..

    All the bells and whistles are nice, but you damn well better have a "hammer" in your tool box! its the "chickification" of the Air Force, they are more worried about the negative impact of nose art from the past, than the op-for!
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Barrett#Aviation_career
     
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    If you have not heard of MDC2 it is part of the future networked battle space management tied to possibly any emerging NGF in whatever shape or form it might become.

    Source : AWST Sept 5, 2019

    Note the truck and highway comment.
     
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    guess you'll like, dated Sep 4, 2019 (personally I facepalm, the article refers to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachem_Ba_349 but I'd been thinking of Kamikaze while reading)
    USAF Pursues Disposable Aircraft For Air Superiority https://aviationweek.com/defense/usaf-pursues-disposable-aircraft-air-superiority
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    https://www.nationaldefensemagazine...dP08HHj5LlPoqJ6DPGtuAPUU4-2hBUCDANYlgGIf6Lthw

    Basically they don’t know yet. That’s the whole article in summary. There are lots of parts that they seem to be working at. You have concepts from Europe that look more like Fifth gens than something totally ground breaking.
    If you want key points well
    • A Wider spectrum of Stealth not just Radar X Band. But IR and more.
    • Active defense and countermeasures. Traditional Chaff and Flares with towed decoy and hard kill, soft kill provisions. Defensive missiles, Lasers and jammers even electric interference generation.
    • Speed without Burner, Longer Range.
    • Manned optional. Although drones are getting good they want that human in the loop.
    • Manned unmanned partnership. Loyal wingmen to networked weapons that work in concert. Even using the aircraft as mother ship. This I think is where “Disposable aircraft” comes in. Suicide drones already are just this as are Cruise missiles.
    • More networking more sensors more sharing. The aircraft as a Node of control.
    • Is it a fighter at all? The British and French, even I think F/A-XX sure the USAF well...
    Now this goes in line with the “B21 with air to air” but at the same time it could not be. Because a lot of this has wiggle wording “It May...” and that all important “I Don’t Know right now...”
    I suspect that this could turn into a series of aircraft and technologies integrated into existing programs. The B21 for example would be an excellent mother ship for drones, But a poorer platform for speed. There are just some missions it wouldn’t be suited to. So you could have a F35E or something else come in. The PCA and NGAD is sounding less like a single platform and more like a arsenal of platforms.
     
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    Progressively it appears to me based on high level statements that the framework for a NGF will revolve around the following product sets of systems :
    1) A platform that will be B-21 like which in the past I have described as a B-21 lite. This shaping will provide multi spectrum stealth, valuable internal weapons storage space, range, and electrical power capacity for DEW and sensors;
    2)Loyal wingman with the leading candidate being the Kratos XQ-58A Valkryrie;
    3)Attritable drones such as the "Goldern horde" program; and
    4)Advanced missiles including hypersonics and long range missiles with AI and EW capabilities
     
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    I just don't think the Century series concept is fundamentally sound. The long development cycle with 5th generation development is associated with complex embedded systems and not the shell. The future fight is in systems and electronics. A shell doesn't necessarily add value and building new shell every few years would just subject the program to more development testing. The whole idea of system of systems was not to be bound by a shell by distributing the shell into multiple parts like the main body, loyal wingman and attritable drones.
     
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