US F/A-XX and F-X 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread

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    The helmet sights a thing now and more than one fighter pilot has stated it'd be game over as soon as they've mutually targeted one another.

    As for laser man, I prefer CAPTAIN ZAP! But, yeah, having worked on them, I can see that. But also include supercomputers, rockets, exoplanets, material science and now biopharma. I'm good and I get around. ;)

    We will have to watch. However, there's a lot of resistance to change on many fronts: *cough*UCLASS*cough* And the furball is secksay.

    One does not come to NorCal for steak. There are a million things to eat, but steak isn't the best here. If he wants to put something on the grill, have him find a tritip roast. Do it carefully. Almost, but not quite southern BBQ style. That said, there are some good small, local butchers but your wallet is one of the things that gets chopped up and served back to you haute cuisine style afterwards (cuz so little is left over afterwards). Even so, the average T bone in NM was far, far better and cheaper (!) than in California.
     
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    Fighter Generations are a bit of a hap hazard concept
    The Entire first three types of fighters are skipped.
    That is say World war 1 to world war 2 until the First Jets like ME262.


    1. basically defined as the first of the Jets high subsonic speed. Straight wing all metal fighters with optical gun sights.
    2. Transonic, Swept wing, radar sights hydro mechanical controls.
    3. Supersonic, movable tails, Radar, Air to air missiles. Start of analog avionics. TV style displays. Replace steam style gauges.
    4. Emphasis shift from speed to maneuver. Retains the speed of gen 3 but better able to turn. Look down shoot down advanced radar
    4.5. is an upgrade to sensors, totally digital flight control, reduced RCS and multi role shift from vocal radio control to digital data exchange some degree of integrated electronic warfare.
    5. Not just Stealth but integrated and advanced sensors. Data links, integrated electronic warfare capability., internal weapons carry
    6. So far still super sonic not hyper sonic. Manned optional and or unmanned control node ability, Some degree of Directed energy, hybrid efficient engines,
    7. Impulse engines, Phasers and Photon torpedos Warp factor 4... JK​

    Features of a solid gen 4 fighter have in the past from time to time been added into a gen 3 fighter Mig21 Bison and F5 Freedom fighter are perfect case in point as long as that fighter has an airframe with some degree of inherent transitional characteristics. For example both F4 and MiG 21 are good turn and climb fighters so they easily transitioned to a pseudo gen4 with a good radar.
    Gen 6 has always seemed more likely to be a farther refinement of gen 5 so it makes sense that a good gen 5 should be able to be upgraded into a gen 6. If we look at the European Concepts BAE Tempest, the German French NGF we see solid 5th gen platforms with more sensors and drone partnerships and DEW.
    This would mean that for say Russia who’s fifth gen program has been plagued by development issues moving up to a “Sixth gen” would be easier. It also means that those of us who hope to see a “Super Raptor” are not a totally lost cause.
     
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    As I have maintained for sometime, the way forward is likely to be some form of 5th gen plus platform tethered to a network of systems rather than an unknown and undefined 6th gen platform. What is seldom discussed is the transformational nature itself of 5th gen onto the battlespace environment. Given that the Europeans (except for the UK) have little or nil 5th gen exposure, it is my view they would have a much more difficult road ahead of transforming their services through the adoption of 5th/6th gen capability. The often quoted issue of 5th to 4th communication is just the tip of the iceberg.
     
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    Intelligent collaborative offense systems is in my view a precursor to the system of systems future.

    http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/June 2019/AFRLs-New-Goal-Make-Munitions-Plan-Attacks.aspx
     
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    I skimmed over the article and it seems the Pentagon cancelled some hyped missile I hadn't heard of, and replaced it with plenty of talk plus what they called “Golden Horde” ("In about a year, it will demonstrate Golden Horde for the first time.")

    (says Published on Feb 17, 2019)
     
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    Neither have I heard of either program. I would suspect "Golden Horde" is about attempting to link different offensive platforms to an intelligent battle management systems to change tasking orders and update of real time target coordinates through the use of AI as the window cycles for decisions would be very time sensitive.

    If I remember history correctly, the Mongols (Golden Horde) were very successful in defeating the Europeans because they were mobile and able to direct and concentrate their offensive forces effectively.
     
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    well it's total sales talk to "analyze" programs' names

    what matters is if a program performs, now what - name it got
     
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    Russian propaganda requirements

    according to https://военное.рф/2019/ФорумАрмия56/ (the last sentence in 16:45 entry; my loose translation)

    include:

    stealth technology improvements; [over 5Gen]

    adaptive engines; [I assume this is what's meant by "fuel efficiency in all flight modes"]

    optional manning;

    laser weaponry; [OK, LOL]

    supermaneuverability;

    hypersonic speed; [the wording is "ability to reach ..."]

    plus they stress the role of AI (also in https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6594792)
     
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    The USAF NGAD program has been cut to $250M under the budget deal.

    Link later.
     
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