US F/A-XX and F-X 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread

Ultra

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Well this thread is as cold as the sixth gen seems to be, any real news of real work going on with the six gens?? (hard isn't it, when supposedly knowledgeable people don't "know" what form six gen will take), gag me with a spoon??

I still think the smart strategy in the interim is an Improved/Simplified/Updated F-22, heck call it the F-25, install two F-135s, sans OVT, incorporate the F-35 avionics, helmet, etc possibly push super cruise into the Mach 2 range, optimizing L/O through refined shaping, possibly looking at new electronic technologys, possibly enlarging the weapons bays to carry larger, heavier weapons?



Oi ! Get your own idea! :D
That's what I proposed back in July!



You know, with all the fanfaire and hooplas with F-35, it got me thinking....

I think DoD and Lockheed need to examine an upgraded version of Raptor.

Call it.... Super Raptor :D ......very much like the Hornet to Super Hornet. It will be built on a proven platform, it will be not as costly as F-35, and it can take many of the technologies developed for F-35 and port it over to F-22.

1. Take the technologies or just the
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engine over to a modified F-22 airframe. The F135 is a lot more powerful than the F119 and it should give F-22 significant boost to speed and agility.

2. Maybe enlage the airframe a little (Super Hornet is 25% larger than Hornet... but I am not saying it should be as much as 25% increase for Super Raptor... just a little bit larger), allowing more space for the internal weapon bay to carry more missiles and bombs. Enlarging the wings may also increase the lift and combat radius.

3. Larger airframe may also allows Super Raptor to have larger nosecone, hence larger and even more powerful radar.

4. Larger airframe also means it will have more rooms for the fuel tanks, allowing it to fly further, loiter longer.

5. Maybe HMD and IRST, only if it doesn't go into a development hell like the F-35.
 

Air Force Brat

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Indeed you did, and I was not a "heavy Raptor" proponent until recently, I really believe we need a deep striker, but we need something that can fight its way out after the fun and games.

Although potential op-fors are large countries, potential targets are localized, and more easily defended by AA. Ingress would have some options, but egress might be far more dangerous and limited to the closest route home?:cool:
 

Air Force Brat

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Was this already posted ?? At least the latest image I've seen .. via "flateric" from LM HP !

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yes and I was running in and out, and missed the Skunk-works logo.

off topic, I replaced the battery in our old 172, put enough fuel in to fly it to our mechanic and made a couple of high speed taxi's. It is very strong and wanted to fly as it was light on fuel. Now to button up the cowling and get it in to the shop. I'm looking forward to getting it in the shop and tearing it down for inspection, a few sundry items that need updated/repaired/replaced.

I recently "checked out" in an 1946 Ercoupe, but its nearly 100 miles away, so I can't just hop in and fire it up? LOL end off topic
 

siegecrossbow

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Judging from what I've read so far, DEW seems to be a must-have for Sixth-gen fighters. I think it'll be a game-changer in how aerial engagements will unfold in the next decade or so.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Northrop Grumman is looking to get in the game to.
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at the heart of the concept is the Heat management and laser system.
Northrop: Beating heat leads sixth-generation fighter challenges

  • 12 DECEMBER, 2015
  • BY: STEPHEN TRIMBLE
  • LOS ANGELES


Thermal management will be a critical factor in a brewing competition to replace hundreds of Lockheed Martin F-22s and Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets, says a top Northrop Grumman executive.

Releasing a new artistic concept of a so-called sixth-generation fighter on 11 December, Northrop Aerospace Systems president Tom Vice singled-out the critical but often overlooked quality of managing all the heat generated by ever-more powerful weapons and sensors anticipated on future combat aircraft.

Northrop’s sixth-generation fighter concept shows the stealthy, swept-wing fighter using a powerful laser weapon to engage multiple targets. Even the best high-power lasers are only 32-33% efficient, meaning 2MW of heat is generated for every 1MW of energy that can be formed into a laser beam, Vice says.

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That creates a difficult problem for a stealthy combat aircraft. Venting the heat offboard only raises the aircraft’s visibility to heat-sealing sensors. Another option is to develop a thermal accumulator, which is a path the Air Force Research Laboratory is pursuing under the INVENT programme. An electrical accumulator stores the energy onboard in the same way as a hydraulic accumulator, releasing the latent energy as necessary to generate a surge of power.

But Northrop’s sixth-generation fighter concept eschews the accumulator concept for thermal management. According to Vice, such a system imposes a limitation on the laser weapon’s magazine size or firing rate, forcing the pilot to exit combat until the accumulator is refilled with energy. Northrop is pursuing a concept instead that does not rely on accumulators or offboard venting to manage the heat, but Vice declines to elaborate on the company’s specific approach to solving the thermal management problem.

Northrop’s concept shows a tailless, possibly supersonic vehicle, promising a new breakthrough in manoeuvrability, speed and stealth for a combat aircraft. It also departs from previous sixth-generation fighter concepts released by Northrop by featuring a swept wing, replacing an aft-mounted straight or slightly forward swept wing on previous designs.

The Lockheed Martin F-22 was the first aircraft to blend supersonic cruising speed, advanced stealth and extreme agility in the same package, building on the Northrop’s B-2’s breakthrough combination of stealth and size.

Putting all of those qualities in a package with a new revolution in thermal management technology is the goal for winning the US Air Force’s F-X programme and the US Navy’s FA-XX programme, Vice says.

“The B-2 brought a lot of technology together in a very unique package,” he says. “This airplane will now combine a lot of that, and thermodynamics will be a key discriminator in who wins.”
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