Miragedriver
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Battle near the village of Peski. Battalion Vostok
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Ukraine Revolt/Civil War News, Reports, Data, etc.
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Miragedriver
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Different videos of Donbass militia from social network
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My Dutch newspaper, , writes today in a very short article on p.15 that the failed president of Georgia, Saakashvili, made governor of the Odessa region by Poroshenko because he has no Ukrainian friends that are not corrupt, has fired halve of the civil servants of the city of Odessa.
This is unlikely to improve the calm in the city.
Jura The idiot
General
Thud, on May 24 you predicted "the Ukrainian offensive any day now"
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/uk...s-reports-data-etc.t7103/page-110#post-342812
how's it going? I'm asking because I just read Ukrainian accounts awaiting Separatists offensive ... any day now
plus I've read at the site of "Cassad" something dramatic has been going on in Donetsk this week, with the "caretaker"
personally present since yesterday ...
plus this enigmatic article by "El Murind":
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/uk...s-reports-data-etc.t7103/page-110#post-342812
how's it going? I'm asking because I just read Ukrainian accounts awaiting Separatists offensive ... any day now
plus I've read at the site of "Cassad" something dramatic has been going on in Donetsk this week, with the "caretaker"
personally present since yesterday ...
plus this enigmatic article by "El Murind":
thunderchief
Senior Member
Well, I hope I was wrong and that peace will prevail .
What really happened in last few weeks is a very tense situation between Right Sector formations and Ukrainian government . There were even reports about armed clashes between Right Sector and police far from front lines in western Ukraine . As a consequence of that , looks like certain number of Right Sector units left combat zone in eastern Ukraine and moved towards Kiev . That left some gaps in Ukrainian positions, and rebels could try to take advantage of that with some local offensives .
But sincerely, I doubt Kremlin would allow something big to happen right now . I still think Moscow wants to wrap this thing down, and achieve some kind of agreement with current government in Kiev . Of course, I could be wrong . Maybe, behind the curtains, Moscow managed to amplify differences between Right sector and Ukrainian authorities to gain advantage, but this theory look unprovable and improbable right now .
What really happened in last few weeks is a very tense situation between Right Sector formations and Ukrainian government . There were even reports about armed clashes between Right Sector and police far from front lines in western Ukraine . As a consequence of that , looks like certain number of Right Sector units left combat zone in eastern Ukraine and moved towards Kiev . That left some gaps in Ukrainian positions, and rebels could try to take advantage of that with some local offensives .
But sincerely, I doubt Kremlin would allow something big to happen right now . I still think Moscow wants to wrap this thing down, and achieve some kind of agreement with current government in Kiev . Of course, I could be wrong . Maybe, behind the curtains, Moscow managed to amplify differences between Right sector and Ukrainian authorities to gain advantage, but this theory look unprovable and improbable right now .
While the Kiev regime is quarrelling with some of its supporters and the economy is going down the drain its prestige in the country is going down too. Then IMF is promising to support it despite the fact that is contrary to its own rules, just as financing the Greek government in 2010 was against those rules. The Greek developments make rules violations by IMF more difficult. So it makes sense for the Donbas people to continue to defend themselves and await developments in Kiev.
Zool
Junior Member
The following from June speaks to just that, the "Quagmire" of explaining the decision to strong arm an ally (Greece) with regard to further IMF support, while keeping a seemingly open line to Ukraine.
So long as funds go toward legitimate and sustainable economic utilities and benefit the general citizenries quality of life, I say fund Ukraine & Greece both. But the conflict and destruction of civilian life in the East needs to come to a permanent close.
So long as funds go toward legitimate and sustainable economic utilities and benefit the general citizenries quality of life, I say fund Ukraine & Greece both. But the conflict and destruction of civilian life in the East needs to come to a permanent close.
Jura The idiot
General
thank you, and since I don't like leaving loose ends, but I do like history
I would appreciate answers related to June 3 Marinka fights; questions I askedJun 10, 2015
you know, soon after those fights you presented here triumphant announcements of Separatists (later I've read the 450 KIA figure then announced by
coincides with the average daily Wehrmacht losses at the peak of Stalingrad fights
and at about the same time I was watching a video of Ukrainians going door-to-door in that village in the morning of June 4, I mean I don't want to jump to any conclusions, I just wonder
A year after the destruction of MH17 my Dutch newspaper NRC ( ) publishes an article about the situation in Ukraine on page 17 by the editor who much earlier was correspondent in Moscow.
He begins with the situation in the Western part where Pravy Sector cannot be kept down by Kiev and is living from smuggling and corruption. He then points to struggles between groups of oligarchs for which armed gangs are used that are also used against the rebels in the East. Kolomoiski lost his governorship of Dnepropetrovsk in these struggles but the government was not willing or able to get rid of such a corrupt politician.
Next he points to the political advantage to Kiev of the destruction of MH17 but says that this doesn't extent to financial matters. IMF paid $5b but threatens to not pay another $12.5b if there are no reforms of pensions and house rents. Parliament is afraid the impoverish the population further so that looks difficult.
He then mentions the numbers of people killed and injured and those that fled their towns or are otherwise in great trouble.
Last he mentions plans by Poroshenko to declare to be terrorists those armed gangs that do not accept the authority of the government. but he doesn't expect a useful outcome of such a move.
All this in a paper that is generally pro-Kiev and anti-Russian.
He begins with the situation in the Western part where Pravy Sector cannot be kept down by Kiev and is living from smuggling and corruption. He then points to struggles between groups of oligarchs for which armed gangs are used that are also used against the rebels in the East. Kolomoiski lost his governorship of Dnepropetrovsk in these struggles but the government was not willing or able to get rid of such a corrupt politician.
Next he points to the political advantage to Kiev of the destruction of MH17 but says that this doesn't extent to financial matters. IMF paid $5b but threatens to not pay another $12.5b if there are no reforms of pensions and house rents. Parliament is afraid the impoverish the population further so that looks difficult.
He then mentions the numbers of people killed and injured and those that fled their towns or are otherwise in great trouble.
Last he mentions plans by Poroshenko to declare to be terrorists those armed gangs that do not accept the authority of the government. but he doesn't expect a useful outcome of such a move.
All this in a paper that is generally pro-Kiev and anti-Russian.
Miragedriver
Brigadier
Cities in war: trends and challenges of urban combat
By: Katarina Svitková
Urban combat is as old as cities themselves. Urban centers have always been strategic places given their economic, demographic, infrastructure and symbolic importance. The image of a city captured, recaptured, looted, burned and built again it is inherent in military history.
However, many military doctrines considered classic urban combat as a last resort. According to Sun Tzu, the worst policy is to attack cities, which is still true today, given the amount of collateral damage usual in this type of transaction. And as the world becomes more urbanized, so do conflicts.
Many of the revolutions of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries took place in cities, logically that those were points of concentration of the population, mobilization and power. However, the really emblematic of the urban environment battles took place during World War II. The battles of Stalingrad, Berlin and Manila triggered the subsequent development of military doctrines focused especially in urban combat.
During the Cold War, an urban guerrillas intensified their activity in several countries in Latin America, opposed by police and military forces. Independence movements with anti-colonial schedule took initiative in Palestine, Algeria, Cyprus and Ireland, forcing regular campaigns to develop an urban counterinsurgency forces. Some iconic battles took place in Hue, Vietnam in 1968 and the city of Suez in 1973.
The military events of the 90s led to believe that Western military forces were invincible. That assumption was fundamentally questioned after the episode in Mogadishu in 1993 and the military disaster in Grozny (in this case Russian forces) in 1994. The military and political strategists realized that military superiority - technology does not lead automatically to a successful when the regular forces are forced to fight armed groups in dense local and unknown cities.
After those events, the military focused attention even more necessary to fight in cities capabilities. This trend continued until September 2001. The war in Afghanistan temporarily diverted attention to mountainous and rural areas, but later the Iraq war and a decade later, urban revolutions in the Arab world and recent developments in Ukraine Iraq, Syria and Yemen are once again indicating the growing importance of cities for the analysis and management of conflict.
See Part 2
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By: Katarina Svitková
Urban combat is as old as cities themselves. Urban centers have always been strategic places given their economic, demographic, infrastructure and symbolic importance. The image of a city captured, recaptured, looted, burned and built again it is inherent in military history.
However, many military doctrines considered classic urban combat as a last resort. According to Sun Tzu, the worst policy is to attack cities, which is still true today, given the amount of collateral damage usual in this type of transaction. And as the world becomes more urbanized, so do conflicts.
Many of the revolutions of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries took place in cities, logically that those were points of concentration of the population, mobilization and power. However, the really emblematic of the urban environment battles took place during World War II. The battles of Stalingrad, Berlin and Manila triggered the subsequent development of military doctrines focused especially in urban combat.
During the Cold War, an urban guerrillas intensified their activity in several countries in Latin America, opposed by police and military forces. Independence movements with anti-colonial schedule took initiative in Palestine, Algeria, Cyprus and Ireland, forcing regular campaigns to develop an urban counterinsurgency forces. Some iconic battles took place in Hue, Vietnam in 1968 and the city of Suez in 1973.
The military events of the 90s led to believe that Western military forces were invincible. That assumption was fundamentally questioned after the episode in Mogadishu in 1993 and the military disaster in Grozny (in this case Russian forces) in 1994. The military and political strategists realized that military superiority - technology does not lead automatically to a successful when the regular forces are forced to fight armed groups in dense local and unknown cities.
After those events, the military focused attention even more necessary to fight in cities capabilities. This trend continued until September 2001. The war in Afghanistan temporarily diverted attention to mountainous and rural areas, but later the Iraq war and a decade later, urban revolutions in the Arab world and recent developments in Ukraine Iraq, Syria and Yemen are once again indicating the growing importance of cities for the analysis and management of conflict.
See Part 2
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