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Mr T

Senior Member
Bet the people who forced retirement of Nimrod are feeling good the endurance and range of that aircraft was awesome

I blame the idiots who decided it would be a good idea to try to use old airframes that weren't made to the same exact specifications. That led to a lot of the cost overruns. They should have just bought off-the-shelf and/or tried to negotiate for a UK assembly line for the P-8 (we'll buy X if you let us build them and some others).

However, I do like the idea of the Kawasaki P-1. That wasn't an option when MRA4 was being built - it is now.
 
once the most powerful Navy of the World scrambled two Harpoon-canisters for one of the destroyers ... OK I'll not start ranting as things actually may get worse! according to
Odierno Raises Alarm Over UK Spending Levels
US Army Chief of Staff Gen. Ray Odierno has added his voice to the chorus of senior politicians and military figures on both sides of the Atlantic voicing concerns over the potential impact of further defense cuts to Britain's armed forces.

"I would be lying to you if I did not say that I am very concerned about the gross domestic product investment [on defense] in the UK," Odierno told the Daily Telegraph in an interview Monday.

British defense spending of £33 billion (US $50.9 billion) a year hovers just above the target set by NATO of 2 percent of gross domestic product.

None of the major political parties here will commit to maintaining spending at that level and with further cuts expected after the May 7 general election, think tanks like the Royal United Services Institute reckon it could fall to as little as 1.6 percent by 2020.

America's top soldier warned that the level of capability the British could contribute to an alliance with the US is being diminished.

"In the past we would have a British Army division working alongside an American division. Now it might be a British brigade inside an American division, or even a British battalion inside an American brigade," he said.

"We have to adjust our program to make sure we are all able to see that we can still work together," he warned.

Odierno joined Gen. Peter Wall, who until recently was the British Army chief of the General Staff, and Liam Fox, the ex-Conservative defense secretary, who both warned in the past few days about the damaging impact of any further defense cuts after May 7.

Last month it emerged that during a meeting in Washington in January, US President Barack Obama warned British Prime Minister David Cameron against allowing British defense spending to drop below the NATO target of 2 percent of gross domestic product.

The US Army chief said Britain wasn't the only concern.

"As we look at threats around the world, these are global issues, and we need to have multinational solutions," he said.

"They are concerning to everyone. We all need to be able to invest and work together to solve these problems," Odierno said.

British spending reductions have already resulted in axing the Royal Air Forces maritime patrol aircraft capability, significantly reducing the size of the Army and dropping the Royal Navy's aircraft carrier force until early in the next decade.

The capability cuts resulted from the Conservative-led coalition government's implementation of major military spending cuts following their 2010 election win.

With the country's public finances still in a serious fix, the Tories and Labour, the other major political party here, have warned of further austerity measures for most government departments after May 7.

Education, Health and overseas aid budgets have been ring-fenced but defense hasn't.

Some analysts put the possible cut in defense at around 7 percent, a similar level to the last reduction.

That figure, though, was only half the story as the government also cut what it said was a £38 billion black hole in unfunded defense commitments left it by the previous Labour administration.

A strategic defense and security review is scheduled to follow the setting of spending levels by the incoming government.

Increasingly, executives and others here are saying it could be well into 2016 before the strategic review, with its decisions about programs, capabilities and troop numbers, is completed or maybe even started.
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Jeff Head

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Just like France, Netherlands etc in NATO-U.S. alliance.

The original comment was about the UK's activities in Iraq. Not about NATO. Your comment has NOTHING to do with what you responded to

France is not operating over Iraq. The Netherlands are not operating over Iraq.

When you quote someone else, make comments about WHAT THEY POSTED...not about something completely different.

I have indicated this to you on other occasions and here you are doing it again.

I am trying to help you out here...it is okay to post things as long as they relate to what you are responding to, are posts of some substance to our military forum, and as long as they follow the rules.

At the same time, SD has a very strong reputation and we cannot allow such practices to creep in.

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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Was just thinking the other day UK and Japan are becoming closer in military ties maybe one day we will see the Queen Elizabeth sailing with the JMSDF Izumo Class!!

What a sight that would be, Izumo a very nice all rounded flat deck and QE a full sized carrier, now two nations could be seen sailing in parallel

Two powerful up and coming navy's
 
once the most powerful Navy of the World scrambled two Harpoon-canisters for one of the destroyers ... OK I'll not start ranting as things actually may get worse! according to
Odierno Raises Alarm Over UK Spending Levels

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British Army could be cut to just 50,000 over next four years, report warns
The British Army could be reduced to its smallest size in nearly 250 years, taking its overall troop level to just 50,000 soldiers, a former Government defence adviser has warned.

A report by the respected Royal United Services Institute (Rusi) suggests that defence budgets may be slashed by 10 per cent during the next parliament, shrinking personnel for the three Armed Forces by as many as 42,000.

Britain’s military appears once again in line for massive culls after the next general election because of the continuing austerity drive and a lack of commitment by any of the major parties to protect defence spending, Rusi said.

Downing Street has been forced to deny that David Cameron and George Osborne, the Chancellor, are at “loggerheads” over whether to maintain the Nato target of committing two per cent of the nation's finances to defence.

But ministers’ reluctance to commit to the target was made clear,
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Regular Army soldiers are already being reduced from 102,000 to 82,000 and a new defence review under the next government could see numbers cut again by around 40 per cent, Rusi warned.

It would mean the smallest Army since the 1770s, when Britain lost the American colonies.

The report comes ahead a crucial debate in the House of Commons on Thursday when Tory MPs are expected to push for a vote to force the Prime Minister Cameron into a commitment on defence spending.

Tensions over the £36 billion defence budget are high at
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and the threat from Isil in Iraq and Syria is growing.

US President Barack Obama and his military chiefs have already expressed concerns over further cuts in Britain’s defence and warned it could damage the Army's ability to fight future campaigns.

Last week, the head of the America’s Army, Chief of Staff General Raymond Odierno, told the Telegraph he was “concerned” about suggestions Britain may not maintain the Nato target.

Downing Street denied a report that Mr Cameron was angry at Mr Oborne’s apparent refusal to sign up to maintaining the financial commitment for another parliament.

Refusing to discuss the pledge, Mr Hammond told BBC One’s Andrew Marr Show: "We will have a strategic defence and security review at the beginning of the next parliament and we will set out our plans then.

"I can’t tell you what will be in the Conservative manifesto, and I can’t prejudge the outcome of the security and defence review that will take place after the next election. We will protect the integrity and the strength of our armed forces."

Mr Hammond indicated the Prime Minister would be reluctant to cut regular army numbers if reelected, saying Mr Cameron did not want to "preside over any further cuts in our Armed Forces".

Next week, as many as 30 Conservative MPs led by John Baron, the MP for Basildon and Billericay who himself served in the Army, are expected to rebel against the government in order to put pressure on the leadership over the proposed and future cuts.

The Rusi report was written by the organisation’s director of UK defence policy, Professor Malcolm Chalmers, who is also a special adviser to the parliamentary joint committee on the national security strategy and was a Cabinet Office advisor for the 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review.

He predicts “optimistic” and “pessimistic” scenarios for the future of the military based on analysis of the three major political parties’ overall spending plans.

He warns that while health, schools and foreign aid budgets are likely to be protected no party has committed to protect defence.

He said: “In either scenario, the result will be a remarkably sharp reduction in the footprint of defence in UK society over a decade.”

Lord Dannatt, the former head of the British Army, said the report made "sober reading" and warned Britain's "operational readiness" could be damaged.

"In a squeezed Defence budget, expenditure on equipment will always take priority over manpower numbers.”

But he added: "I think pressure is beginning to mount on the Government to recognise that there might be some votes in Defence after all. People are quite right to be concerned about our overall security, given present world circumstances."

Andy Smith, chief executive officer of the UK National Defence Association, added: “If the Government allows the British Army to shrink to a 250-year low, it would demonstrate a shameful lack of commitment to the Defence of the Realm.

“We do not need a huge army but we certainly need an army that enables us to secure our homeland and our international interests.

“Military strength guarantees political influence, and we certainly wouldn't have any influence at all with an army of just 50,000.

“It would put the United Kingdom in a potentially perilous situation and would represent political failure by our leaders on a monumental scale.”

Prof Chalmers said spending plans outlined in the last Autumn Statement suggest that spending on government departments could fall from 17.4 per cent of GDP to 12.6 per cent of GDP by 2019/2020 and unprotected departments would be hit hardest.

Because of commitments to some defence spending, personnel would once again bear the brunt, he warned.

Even on the optimistic outlook, where spending is protected on a par with health or schools, that could see total defence personnel fall from around 145,000 to 130,000 by the end of the decade.

In the pessimistic scenario, budgets would be cut by 10 per cent and numbers would fall to 115,000.

However, the Government is currently pledging that spending on defence equipment will increase by one per cent annually over the next parliament.

If that is maintained, Prof Chalmers said, then a worst case scenario could see troop numbers fall to 103,000 – a drop of 29 per cent.

He warns as in the last round of cuts, the Royal Navy will be protected because of the need for personnel for the planned new aircraft carriers, then the Army will take the lion’s share and could be slashed to just 50,000.

In the 1640s, at the height of the Civil War, Oliver Cromwell’s army stood at 40,000.

Professor Chalmers said: “The final budgetary settlement will be one of the most strongly contested elements of this year’s Spending Review.

“In contrast to the health, schools and international development budgets, none of the major parties has committed to protect the defence budget.

“Yet the MoD could face a substantial funding gap even on its own planning assumptions of 1 per cent real annual growth in equipment spending and the protection of non-equipment spending at baseline levels.”

He concluded: “In reality, the prospects for the defence budget remain closely tied to wider economic growth.

“The government is not yet convinced that strategic security risks are high enough to justify an exemption for defence from austerity.”
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Silvestre

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British Army could be cut to just 50,000 over next four years, report warns

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Ground Forces so they new size would be 100,000 soldiers and seeman. I believed todays little over 146,000 was enough to have nicely size. But they changes maybe to 100,000 how are the same like Germany after WW1 after they lose against USA.

Navy - 20000
Air Force - 30000
Army - 50000

So they been 100,000 soldiers and seeman?
 
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